tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-54829946631897666912024-02-21T03:51:11.469-08:00The Truth about Mormonismcreeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-38494622701180884952022-04-29T10:47:00.003-07:002022-04-29T10:57:17.738-07:00The reason there is no witnesses to the First Vision story <p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgAFF5tzXxfiqOTfZhJHZZerXh89XGKaZdZcSoXmMEYhRDUezIxENB5vbsjgHIzwqx2sCKMAF_LAyAwVaDpj2jt46nHSS77CWyxUwhCSG2UuNxw7wCvdJ-wIkEusXwgERKZLmNnzYib7uvQa0WJ6myz6CRCsBkH-coFgqNC4ngpB2iU9BYmhXCfZwlT/s4968/Why%20do%20we%20have%20no%20witnesses%20of%20the%20Joseph%20Smith%20vision.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="4968" data-original-width="4036" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgAFF5tzXxfiqOTfZhJHZZerXh89XGKaZdZcSoXmMEYhRDUezIxENB5vbsjgHIzwqx2sCKMAF_LAyAwVaDpj2jt46nHSS77CWyxUwhCSG2UuNxw7wCvdJ-wIkEusXwgERKZLmNnzYib7uvQa0WJ6myz6CRCsBkH-coFgqNC4ngpB2iU9BYmhXCfZwlT/w520-h640/Why%20do%20we%20have%20no%20witnesses%20of%20the%20Joseph%20Smith%20vision.jpg" width="520" /></a></div><br /><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjT4MYUCsyGUsLYsD0NWGnz-uif-x39blaL8tmPrjzRcabEBuG4tYuEoA7nor4m7nHylh-6Zg3UcXAUYglF7drjOA9CdbDPpR77OURiF2DB4THDHWcpLmsnDkLpcxT-pyaS36GB6jtVlpWe8vOFhww3dVfbF8R7JzE7nY3nkSeu3M3MT1LGdvDDqeEn/s3865/Lectures%20of%20Faith%20Z.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3865" data-original-width="3178" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjT4MYUCsyGUsLYsD0NWGnz-uif-x39blaL8tmPrjzRcabEBuG4tYuEoA7nor4m7nHylh-6Zg3UcXAUYglF7drjOA9CdbDPpR77OURiF2DB4THDHWcpLmsnDkLpcxT-pyaS36GB6jtVlpWe8vOFhww3dVfbF8R7JzE7nY3nkSeu3M3MT1LGdvDDqeEn/w329-h400/Lectures%20of%20Faith%20Z.jpg" width="329" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9WzvmGJmIV9UN4pUYEhONBTNmWIVazw6Xk5J5eF8Krj7Yg8BLhzWhaAX5a0u1iUrfCQL9qYCSvahUSv72jJmnbH32QeP5SofUoK_i3mPlZ5vdZs4MFQ3BRY738PC37XzCeHwFEvK0J9CDTLy6CZ7byWV1ONlPsAnQ_RSreGC6dd7SNtMPFiEN6ifx/s3755/Lectures%20on%20Faith.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3268" data-original-width="3755" height="348" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9WzvmGJmIV9UN4pUYEhONBTNmWIVazw6Xk5J5eF8Krj7Yg8BLhzWhaAX5a0u1iUrfCQL9qYCSvahUSv72jJmnbH32QeP5SofUoK_i3mPlZ5vdZs4MFQ3BRY738PC37XzCeHwFEvK0J9CDTLy6CZ7byWV1ONlPsAnQ_RSreGC6dd7SNtMPFiEN6ifx/w400-h348/Lectures%20on%20Faith.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><div><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-family: Roboto, sans-serif;">1839: This is the official account of the First Vision, first published by Joseph Smith in the</span><span style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-family: Roboto, sans-serif;"> March 15th 1842</span><span style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-family: Roboto, sans-serif;"> edition of the Times and Seasons. It appears in the Pearl of Great Price as Joseph Smith History. The account used here is from the 1839 manuscript history which is in the handwriting of James Mulholland.</span></span></b></div><div><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-family: Roboto, sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></b></div><div><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: white; color: #111111; font-family: Roboto, sans-serif;">Apparently the First Vision was manufactured after the Lectures of Faith was published </span></span></b></div>creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-31980832380347736802022-01-01T22:11:00.009-08:002022-01-03T12:29:25.551-08:00Samson's life tells us Mormon's rules, Ordnances, principles are wrong <p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgrBg8XNeUHc7JXmhqJK2VkrccKXsnOWRpKlsKsoBs2n_EfymxSsIqkhfkJvjx-olok6vnqWUpBVqarCpPMR99wAhUA5cl-vXkntFDCJM8TrzteCoVLktmvEHkzgfKRgouEHze19PfLxWTsuMY_soXcx0gxfMANnUMJJRlfLNFz-Z5ZBVH-bxEmqu-8=s3513" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2506" data-original-width="3513" height="285" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgrBg8XNeUHc7JXmhqJK2VkrccKXsnOWRpKlsKsoBs2n_EfymxSsIqkhfkJvjx-olok6vnqWUpBVqarCpPMR99wAhUA5cl-vXkntFDCJM8TrzteCoVLktmvEHkzgfKRgouEHze19PfLxWTsuMY_soXcx0gxfMANnUMJJRlfLNFz-Z5ZBVH-bxEmqu-8=w400-h285" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;">Samson never kept the LDS rules of no alcohol, baptism, short hair, etc and so didn't obey the covenants established by himself and God. He married pagan women so he didn't establish an eternal marriage yet is recorded in Hebrews 11 as a great man of faith.</span><div><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;"><br /></span><div><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;">Samson didn't even keep his Nazarite vows of no alcohol touching his lips, no touching of dead animals, and his hair not cut </span></div><div><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><iframe allowfullscreen="" class="BLOG_video_class" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/StICBYoX3yw" width="320" youtube-src-id="StICBYoX3yw"></iframe></div><br /><div><br /><p></p><p>Hebrews 11:</p><p>23: <b><span style="font-size: medium;">And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon,
and <i>of</i> Barak, and <u><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><i>of</i> Samson</span></u>, and <i>of</i> Jephthae; <i>of</i>
David also, and Samuel, and <i>of</i> the prophets:</span></b></p></div></div>creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-69403009144569722202021-07-26T22:53:00.012-07:002022-03-31T22:09:03.097-07:00Mormon claims about Ezekiel 37: 15-17<p> <span face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">From Ezek. 37:15-17 Mormons claim: (1) the sticks are really scrolls; (2) the stick of Judah is the Bible; (3) the stick of Joseph is the </span><em style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">B. of M</em><span face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">.; and, (4) the joining of these sticks means the joining of two writings - the Bible and the </span><em style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">B. of M</em><span face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">.. But the Hebrew word translated "stick" means a piece of wood, not a scroll. The Lord also told Ezekial precisely what to write on the two sticks, and it was not the "Bible" and the "</span><em style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">B. of M</em><span face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">." He was told to write the words "for Judah" on one stick and "for Joseph" on the other. The Bible speaks of books and scrolls in many verses, such as: Is. 8:1; 34:4; Jer. 36:2; Ezek. 2:9; 3:1-3; Rev. 6:14. It also speaks of sticks in Num. 17:1-8; 15:32; I Kings 17:12. But God never interchanges these words. The people asked in Ezek. 37:18, "Wilt thou not show us what thou meanest by these?" That question is answered in the next few verses, when the Lord declared the two Kingdoms of Israel would be brought together as one nation with one King again. In fact, the entire chapter is a prophecy of the restoration of Israel to her own land after captivity. For LDS to claim a couple of verses are about the </span><em style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">B. of M</em><span face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">. in the middle of that message would be out of place. Furthermore, it was </span><em style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">Ezekial</em><span face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;"> who wrote on both sticks. Did Ezekial write both the Bible and the </span><em style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">B. of M.</em><span face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">? If not, the Mormon interpretation does not fit this text.</span></p><p><br /></p><p style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;"> Mormons also claim that Is. 29:1-4 predicts the coming forth of the <em>B. of M.</em> Apostle LeGrand Richards says of v. 4, "Obviously, the only way a dead people could speak 'out of the ground' or 'low out of the dust' would be by the written word, and this people did through the <em>Book of Mormon.</em> Truly it has a familiar spirit for it contains the words of the prophet of God of Israel" (<em>M.W. &W.</em>, p. 69). There are 15 Old Testament references to "familiar spirits," and every one of them refer to mediums in witchcraft, including Is. 29:4 (Lev. 20:6; Duet. 18:10-12). If the LDS believe the <em>B. of M.</em> has a "familiar spirit," they are identifying it with witchcraft! But, this text is really talking about the destruction of Ariel or Jerusalem, not about the <em>B. of M.</em></p><p style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;"><em><br /></em></p><p style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;"> LDS claim Is. 29:11-12 was fulfilled when Smith received and translated the gold plates. Martin Harris mortgaged his farm to pay for publishing the first edition of the <em>B. of M.</em> Harris desired to verify Smith's translation, so he took a copy of some of the "Reformed Egyptian" characters with Smith's translation to Professor Charles Anthon of Columbia University. LDS claim that Anthon pronounced the translation correct. Part of this event is recorded in the <em>P. of G. P</em>. J.S. History 1:63-65. But, Harris' visit to Anthon was very different from Is. 29:11-12. This text shows: (1) This is a parable and the subject is a vision, not a book. (2) The vision of the prophets of that day had become as meaningless to the people as the words of a book that was sealed. Isaiah was referring to the condition of the people at that time, and not about a book of some future time. (3) According to Harris, the professor said the translation was correct. Anthon could have said this only if he read it. But, Isaiah said the learned man could <em>not</em> read the book because it was sealed! The only way the professor knew the plates were "sealed" was because Harris told him they were. (4) In Isaiah the book went to the learned man first - then to the unlearned. But the Mormon story has the book of gold plates delivered first to the unlearned (Smith) who copied some of the characters with his translation on a piece of paper which was taken to the learned (Anthon). In Isaiah, the same "sealed book" was taken to both the learned man and the unlearned man. But, Anthon did not receive any book - sealed or unsealed! (5) In Isaiah, the book was delivered to the unlearned and he simply said, "I am not learned," and made no effort to read it or translate it. But, Smith claimed he did read the book, even though he was unlearned.</p><p style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.4px; text-indent: 20px;">Apostle LeGrand Richards wrote, "Professor Anthon did not realize that he was literally fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah" (<em>M.W. & W</em>., p. 50). But, Anthon did not believe he was fulfilling prophecy, because in a letter to E.D. Howe, a Painsville, Ohio, newspaper editor, he relates the event as a hoax and a scheme to "cheat the farmer [Harris] of his money" (and Harris did lose his money).</p><p><br /></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgd0vBAJ4Q3TqLFVaIrX2ZtMuWQUCfdlT2diqiHMN33wuQ5hRfoPN3cEdRY_SW8tdC8yu8KsAlJqeZrZAIqFfTzJLgSRx61gLUVTO4rZtHbTvmEK90wJFoNIumwtc9cZVPd6_QnP07DVtQ/s2048/EZEKIEL+2.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1459" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgd0vBAJ4Q3TqLFVaIrX2ZtMuWQUCfdlT2diqiHMN33wuQ5hRfoPN3cEdRY_SW8tdC8yu8KsAlJqeZrZAIqFfTzJLgSRx61gLUVTO4rZtHbTvmEK90wJFoNIumwtc9cZVPd6_QnP07DVtQ/w285-h400/EZEKIEL+2.jpg" width="285" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div class="kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit; text-align: center;"><b>THE SCRIPTURES</b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">1. By what name are the sacred writings of the Bible commonly known?</span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the Scriptures,The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?”Matt. 21:42.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">2. What other title is given this revelation of God to man? </span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “And He answered and said unto them, My mother and My brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.”Luke 8:21.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">3. How were the Scriptures given?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “All scripture is given by inspiration of God.”2 Tim. 3:16.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">4. By whom were the men directed who thus spoke for God?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”2 Peter 1:21.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">5. What specific instance is mentioned by Peter?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled,which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.”Acts 1:16.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">6. How does David express this same truth?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and His word was in my tongue.”2 Sam. 23:2.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">7. Who, therefore, did the speaking through these men?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets.”Heb. 1:1.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">8. For what purpose were the Scriptures written?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “For whatsoever things were written afore time were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.”Rom. 15:4.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">9. For what is all scripture profitable?</span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.”2 Tim. 3:16.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">10. What was God's design in thus giving the Scriptures?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”Verse 17.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">11. What estimate did Job place upon the words of God?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “Neither have I gone back from the commandment of His lips; I have esteemed the words of His mouth more than my necessary food.”Job 23:12.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">12. Upon what evidence did Jesus base His Messiahship?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself.”Luke 24:27.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">13. What three general divisions did Jesus recognize as including all the writings of the Old Testament?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning Me.”Verse 44.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">14. What does God's character preclude Him from doing?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “In hope of eternal life, which God,that cannot lie, promised before the world began.”Titus 1:2.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">15. What is God called in the Scriptures?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “He is the Rock, His work is perfect: for all His ways are judgment:a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is He.”Deut. 32:4.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">16. What, therefore, must be the character of His word?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “Sanctify them through Thy truth:Thy word is truth.”John17:17.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">17. What test should therefore be applied to every professed teacher of truth?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “To the law and to the testimony:if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”Isa. 8:20.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">18. What does God design that His word shall be to us in this world of darkness, sin, and death?“Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.”Ps. 119:105.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">19. To what extent has God magnified His word?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “Thou hast magnified Thy word above all Thy name.”Ps.138:2.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">NOTE.—God did this by backing His promises with an oath based upon Himself. Heb. 6:13, 14. By this He pledged and placed at stake His name, or character, for the fulfilment of His word.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">20. In what is the true poetry of life to be found?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage.”Ps. 119:54.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">21. How long will the word of God endure?</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> “The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand forever.”Isa. 40:8. “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.”Matt. 24:35.</span></b></div></div></div><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b><span face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="text-indent: 20px;"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Joseph Smith wrote: In the fly-leaf of his "version" appear
these words: "The Holy Scriptures, translated and corrected by the spirit
of revelation by Joseph Smith, Jr. the seer," 1927 Edition. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Doctrine of Salvation Vol.3:191<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Was the Bible Completed by Joseph Smith?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Yes, in 1833 The official Church Historian, Andrew Jenson
wrote: "Joseph Smith the Prophet finished the translation of the
Bible."<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Church Chronology, 1899, p. 9.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></b></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">According to the D.H.C., Vol. I, pp. 324 and 368, and Times
and Seasons, Vol. VI, p. 802, Joseph Smith completed a translation of the
Bible. Those sources and Andrew Jensen's LDS Church Chronology show that the
New Testament was finished February 2, 1833, and the Old Testament on July 2,
1833. In a revelation given on January 10, 1832, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon
are commanded to "continue the work of translation until it is
finished" (D. & C. 73:4). Obviously this was not talking about the B.
of M. which was published in 1830. Nor could it be talking about the Book of
Abraham Papyrus which Joseph Smith saw for the first time on July 3, 1835
(D.H.C., Vol. II, p. 235). Furthermore, Joseph Smith was commanded by God in D.
& C. 124:89 to "publish the new translation of my holy word unto the
inhabitants of the earth" (see also D. & C. 94:10 and 104:58).</span></b><span style="font-size: 14.4px;"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>http://ezek2vs7.com/pillars.html?</b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></p></span><p></p>creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-12705432231862352182021-04-03T21:32:00.007-07:002021-04-11T22:21:02.026-07:00The Mormon Gospel versus the Bible explanation <p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /> <p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgat9FDFFMSquorMFTSihP4HvPaPbUPYeGzzARsbhrlEaw-n0miiud26m1JVMBOnGvJbkmgnCBcGa45ZcUV6rwLdoatyukK33a4KJ8eF8arjG1d9AlDRtktH4R0v6kzO5IrAtRc9c8nPys/s2048/88336666-Favorite%252B%252822%2529.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1638" data-original-width="2048" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgat9FDFFMSquorMFTSihP4HvPaPbUPYeGzzARsbhrlEaw-n0miiud26m1JVMBOnGvJbkmgnCBcGa45ZcUV6rwLdoatyukK33a4KJ8eF8arjG1d9AlDRtktH4R0v6kzO5IrAtRc9c8nPys/w400-h320/88336666-Favorite%252B%252822%2529.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgat9FDFFMSquorMFTSihP4HvPaPbUPYeGzzARsbhrlEaw-n0miiud26m1JVMBOnGvJbkmgnCBcGa45ZcUV6rwLdoatyukK33a4KJ8eF8arjG1d9AlDRtktH4R0v6kzO5IrAtRc9c8nPys/s2048/88336666-Favorite%252B%252822%2529.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"></a><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgN_W_EfA4BlKekysgDQBg0AW2Il647RVTjtcSJcbOZ5ANNvXnT89wwUqZSeXk-aJVN9X_NKBODGo1I0DPlBWAE_KUgJc3aBk2zw0JvBXzAY_cI6Ce-G8ihVS4AnpgkhpJxSiHsoBhM2c4/s2048/1+Cor+Gospel.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1070" data-original-width="2048" height="334" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgN_W_EfA4BlKekysgDQBg0AW2Il647RVTjtcSJcbOZ5ANNvXnT89wwUqZSeXk-aJVN9X_NKBODGo1I0DPlBWAE_KUgJc3aBk2zw0JvBXzAY_cI6Ce-G8ihVS4AnpgkhpJxSiHsoBhM2c4/w640-h334/1+Cor+Gospel.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span face=""Arial Black",sans-serif">Romans
3:21 <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span face=""Arial Black",sans-serif">Yes,
all have sinned; all fall short of God’s glorious ideal; <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span face=""Arial Black",sans-serif">yet
now God declares us “not guilty” of offending him if we trust in Jesus Christ,
who in his kindness freely takes away our sins. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span face=""Arial Black",sans-serif">For
God sent Christ Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to end all God’s
anger against us. He used Christ’s blood and our faith as the means of saving
us from his wrath. In this way he was being entirely fair, even though he did
not punish those who sinned in former times. For he was looking forward to the
time when Christ would come and take away those sins. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span face=""Arial Black",sans-serif">And
now in these days also he can receive sinners in this same way because Jesus
took away their sins. But isn’t this unfair for God to let criminals go free,
and say that they are innocent? No, for he does it on the basis of their trust
in Jesus who took away their sins. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span face=""Arial Black",sans-serif" style="color: #0070c0;">Then what can we boast about doing to earn our salvation?
Nothing at all. Why? Because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds; it
is based on what Christ has done and our faith in him. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span face=""Arial Black",sans-serif">So it
is that we are saved by faith in Christ and not by the good things we do.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span face=""Arial Black",sans-serif"><br /></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b></b></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><b><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEihVPzWR_IitKNbmIkPM-lIi7UjIC-IgN6F88Eqjr-PqmvhJKe0FJtayjxOTMkSP3vVJQCCZTYAD9dFVxQqdht6Ng1XkOjWJnt3lZuONaADZ4mmeg9TBwJEqBlywTbj6V0L9vwgSVlU1lc/s2532/Romans+3.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1242" data-original-width="2532" height="314" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEihVPzWR_IitKNbmIkPM-lIi7UjIC-IgN6F88Eqjr-PqmvhJKe0FJtayjxOTMkSP3vVJQCCZTYAD9dFVxQqdht6Ng1XkOjWJnt3lZuONaADZ4mmeg9TBwJEqBlywTbj6V0L9vwgSVlU1lc/w640-h314/Romans+3.jpg" width="640" /></a></b></div><b><br /><span face=""Arial Black",sans-serif"><br /></span></b><p></p></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><b><span style="color: #6aa84f; font-size: medium;">Here are but many explanations on what the Gospel is by Mormons </span></b></div></div><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span face="Tahoma, sans-serif" style="line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-size: medium;"> Answers to
Gospel Questions Vol. 3 pp 98-99 under Counsel given by President Charles W.
Penrose<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span face="Tahoma, sans-serif" style="line-height: 115%;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></p><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of
the everlasting gospel. <b><span style="color: red;">We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the
fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the
Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the
dead, and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are
not developed in that book</span></b>, and yet we are told that the book contains
"the fulness of the everlasting gospel." well what is the fulnesspel?
You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, section 76,
in the Doctrine and Covanants, and you find there defined what the gospel is,
<b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">There God the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his son, and the Holy Ghost,
are held up as the three persons in the Trinity-the one God the Father, the
Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God.</span></b> When people believe in that
doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of
principals, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason:</span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><o:p></o:p></span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"></p><div style="text-align: left;"><span face="Tahoma, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></div><span face="Tahoma, sans-serif" style="line-height: 115%;"><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">General Conference Report, April 1922, pp 27-28.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div></span><p></p><p style="background: rgb(249, 246, 237);"></p><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><b style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><div style="color: #333333; text-align: left;"><br /></div></b><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span face="Tahoma, sans-serif" style="line-height: 115%;"></span></p><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span face=""Tahoma",sans-serif" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span face=""Tahoma",sans-serif" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhoOrp_pjmoYsKEJ2NYejWcc3V_UEnCxBhpse4Bf95ShRdzssS7c-JcrW620welSI3gRq0SxGqI1RlDHmbMFCUGLDlhv2F0f2viwX4JBCfHU6jxdx0LgBiMgaXufhQxSc-x48VAijjVDJw/s2048/Prepatarory+.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1867" height="716" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhoOrp_pjmoYsKEJ2NYejWcc3V_UEnCxBhpse4Bf95ShRdzssS7c-JcrW620welSI3gRq0SxGqI1RlDHmbMFCUGLDlhv2F0f2viwX4JBCfHU6jxdx0LgBiMgaXufhQxSc-x48VAijjVDJw/w653-h716/Prepatarory+.jpg" width="653" /></a></span></div><span face=""Tahoma",sans-serif" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman";"><br /> </span><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in;"><b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"> </span></b></p></div><p><br /></p>creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-25204888445513161562021-03-22T22:43:00.013-07:002021-03-25T00:14:06.155-07:00Mormons teach ex nihilo is heresy <p style="text-indent: -24px;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> <span style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="font-stretch: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; line-height: normal;"> </span></span>Bible Doctrine Essential Teachings of the Christian Faith Wayne Grudem</span></b></p><p style="text-indent: -24px;"><span style="text-indent: -0.25in;">biblical evidence for creation out of nothing.
The Bible clearly requires us to believe that God created the universe out of
nothing. (Sometimes the Latin phrase ex nihilo, “out of nothing,” is used; it
is then said that the Bible teaches creation ex nihilo.) This means that before
God began to create the universe, nothing else existed except God himself. This
is the implication of Genesis 1:1, which says, “In the beginning God created
the heavens and the earth.” The phrase “the heavens and the earth” includes the
entire universe. Psalm 33 also tells us, “By the word of the Lord the heavens
were made, and all their host by the breath of his mouth. . . .
For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood forth” (Ps. 33:6,
9). In the New Testament we find a universal statement at the beginning of
John’s gospel: “All things were made through him, and without him was not
anything made that was made” (John 1:3). The phrase “all things” is best taken
to refer to the entire universe (cf. Acts 17:24; Heb. 11:3). Paul is quite
explicit in Colossians 1when he specifies all the parts of the universe, both
visible and invisible things: “In him all things were created, in heaven and on
earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or
authorities—all things were created through him and for him” (Col. 1:16).
Hebrews 11:3 says, “By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the
word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible”
(NASB). This translation (as well as the NIV) most accurately reflects the
Greek text. Though the text does not quite teach the doctrine of creation out
of nothing, it comes close to doing so, since it says that God did not create
the universe out of anything that is visible. The somewhat strange idea that
the universe might have been created out of something that was invisible is
probably not in the author’s mind. He is contradicting the idea of creation out
of previously existing matter, and for that purpose the verse is quite clear. nothing,
no matter in the universe is eternal. All that we see—the mountains, the
oceans, the stars, the earth itself—all came into existence when God created
them. This reminds us that God rules over all the universe and that nothing in
creation is to be worshiped instead of God or in addition to him. However, were
we to deny creation out of nothing, we would have to say that some matter has
always existed and that it is eternal like God. This idea would challenge God’s
independence, his sovereignty, and the fact that worship is due to him alone.
If matter existed apart from God, then what inherent right would God have to
rule over it and use it for his glory? And what confidence could we have that
every aspect of the universe will ultimately fulfill God’s purposes if some
parts of it were not created by him?</span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -0.25in;"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The positive side of the fact that God created the universe
out of nothing is that it has meaning and a purpose. God, in his wisdom,
created it for something. We should try to understand that purpose and use
creation in ways that fit that purpose, namely, to bring glory to God himself.1
Moreover, whenever the creation brings us joy (cf. 1 Tim. 6:17), we should give
thanks to the God who made it all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Grudem, Wayne A.. Bible Doctrine (p. 123). Zondervan
Academic. Kindle Edition.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4EeRq8TSQPeRCKINsGt1T1-LZsqFJ3T1b40e7Lea0pw21d7TWahtGlAz60DSTuPjDp2KKqnAEaBxhhf3VtVvGLebNzkA-1vvVk5gVQpODXKveHAhIWZe0r7DoSyQuaFSrkLbYlqQRMLE/s2048/88336665-Favorite%252BJesus.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1219" data-original-width="2048" height="238" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4EeRq8TSQPeRCKINsGt1T1-LZsqFJ3T1b40e7Lea0pw21d7TWahtGlAz60DSTuPjDp2KKqnAEaBxhhf3VtVvGLebNzkA-1vvVk5gVQpODXKveHAhIWZe0r7DoSyQuaFSrkLbYlqQRMLE/w400-h238/88336665-Favorite%252BJesus.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEip4vtkvWPSsfWTIW2RIp5PeO9b-1VdE181R4LLIvwMeHwGkXtMucR6ZTgtv5B9oiJwDv6liADrO5pt5cQRoTJmVnfpovZ2ukV3buvuQtbkhFGmT0Pq9QzmRDEGVTB3Kp3AtxTWyXQjpSE/s2048/Ex+Nihilo.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1674" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEip4vtkvWPSsfWTIW2RIp5PeO9b-1VdE181R4LLIvwMeHwGkXtMucR6ZTgtv5B9oiJwDv6liADrO5pt5cQRoTJmVnfpovZ2ukV3buvuQtbkhFGmT0Pq9QzmRDEGVTB3Kp3AtxTWyXQjpSE/w525-h640/Ex+Nihilo.jpg" width="525" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjM17ZZL4TPwtPUoxTVwchRnfF3t8veT_Y0lWvViDf_C1pEfddFtEwvJ5f-M-6tpqSyKpJ49L1RlmbY2NZ0WKspOG3svWafkJhxQVFghr957k99e23Kk3lvM0mcedweCOkJLXd5d1TXyJA/s2048/GRUDEM.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1897" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjM17ZZL4TPwtPUoxTVwchRnfF3t8veT_Y0lWvViDf_C1pEfddFtEwvJ5f-M-6tpqSyKpJ49L1RlmbY2NZ0WKspOG3svWafkJhxQVFghr957k99e23Kk3lvM0mcedweCOkJLXd5d1TXyJA/w370-h400/GRUDEM.jpg" width="370" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red;"><b>Why learned men . . . say God created the heaven and the
earth out of nothing. Scholars of the history of Christian doctrine tell us
that the idea of creation ex nihilo is a product of the hellenistic Christian
era. Gerhard May in his work Creatio ex Nihilo: The Doctrine of 'Creation out
of Nothing' in Early Christian Thought concludes that "in the second half
of the second century the theological development begins which leads directly
to the formulation of the church doctrine of creatio ex nihilo"; by
"the beginning of the third century [it was] regarded as a fundamental
tenet of Christian theology" (Creatio ex Nihilo, 148, 179). Of necessity
the doctrine traces itself to Greek philosophy, having originated after
traditional Christianity claims revelation to have ceased.<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red;"><b>Baurau. The Hebrew word baurau rendered "created"
in the Genesis account of the story of creation means "to form or to
fashion." There is no thought in the word of the creation of something
from nothing.<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><span style="color: red;"><b> </b></span></o:p><b style="color: red;">The principles of element are principles which can never be
destroyed. By revelation the Prophet stated: "There is no such thing as
immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can
only be discerned by purer eyes; We cannot see it; but when our bodies are
purified we shall see that it is all matter" (D&C 131:7-8).</b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red;"><b>THE KING FOLLETT DISCOURSE<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red;"><b>REVELATIONS OF THE RESTORATION<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red;"><b>by Craig J. Ostler, Joseph Fielding McConkie</b></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red;"><b><br /></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red;"><b>Chapter 9<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red;"><b> Incidentally, when
Joseph suggests in the King Follett sermon that matter can neither be created
nor destroyed, 25 he is essentially stating the law of conservation of
mass-energy, a law currently and universally accepted in science but not known
in his time. The Creation was an organization of preexisting matter. That this
is our LDS belief—contrary to the theory of ex nihilo creation (out of nothing)
of traditional Christianity and of creationism—has been clearly pointed out by
numerous authors. 26<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red;"><b>OF HEAVEN AND EARTH: RECONCILING SCIENTIFIC THOUGHT WITH LDS
THEOLOGY<o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red;"><b>
</b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red;"><b>by David Clark</b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p>A. The Doctrine of the Trinity Is Progressively Revealed in
Scripture 1. Partial revelation in the Old Testament. The word trinity is never
found in the Bible, though the idea represented by the word is taught in many
places. The word trinity means “triunity” or “three-in-oneness.” It is used to
summarize the teaching of Scripture that God is three persons yet one God.
Sometimes people think the doctrine of the Trinity is only found in the New
Testament, not in the Old. But if God has eternally existed as three persons,
it would be surprising to find no indications of that in the Old Testament.
Although the doctrine of the Trinity is not explicitly found in the Old
Testament, several passages suggest or even imply that God exists as more than
one person. For instance, according to Genesis 1:26, God said, “Let <span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b>us</b></span> make man
in our image, after <b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">our</span></b> likeness.” What do the plural verb (“let us”) and the
plural pronoun (“our”) mean? Some have suggested they are plurals of majesty, a
form of speech a king would use in saying, for example, “We are pleased to
grant your request.” However, in Old Testament Hebrew there are no other
examples of a monarch using plural verbs or plural pronouns of himself in such
a “plural of majesty,” so this suggestion has no evidence to support it.
Another suggestion is that God is here speaking to angels. But angels did not
participate in the creation of man, nor was man created in the image and
likeness of angels, so this suggestion is not convincing. The best explanation,
and the one held almost unanimously by the church fathers and earlier
theologians, is that already in the first chapter of Genesis we have an
indication of a plurality of persons in God himself. We are not told how many
persons, and we have nothing approaching a complete doctrine of the Trinity,
but it is implied that more than one person is involved. The same can be said
of Genesis 3:22 (“Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and
evil”), Genesis 11:7 (“Come, let us go down, and there confuse their
language”), and Isaiah 6:8 (“Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?”).
(Note the combination of singular and plural in the same sentence in the last
passage.) Moreover, there are passages where one person is called “God” or “the
Lord” and is distinguished from another person who is also said to be God. In
Psalm 45:6–7 (NIV), the psalmist says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever
and ever. . . . You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you
with the oil of joy.” Here the psalm passes beyond describing anything that
could be true of an earthly king and calls the king “God” (v. 6), whose throne
will last “for ever and ever.” But then, still speaking to the person called
“God,” the author says that “God, your God, has set you above your companions”
(v. 7). So two separate persons are called “God” (Heb. ʾElōhîm). In the New
Testament, the author of Hebrews quotes this passage and applies it to Christ:
“Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever” (Heb. 1:8). Similarly, in Psalm
110:1, David says, “The Lord says to my lord: ‘Sit at my right hand until I
make your enemies a footstool for your feet’ ” (NIV). Jesus rightly understands
that David is referring to two separate persons as “Lord” (Matt. 22:41–46), but
who is David’s “Lord” if not God himself? And who could be saying to God, “Sit
at my right hand” except someone else who is also fully God?</p></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">From a New Testament perspective, we can paraphrase this
verse: “God the Father said to God the Son, ‘Sit at my right hand.’ ” But even
without the New Testament teaching on the Trinity, it seems clear that David
was aware of a plurality of persons in one God. Isaiah 63:10 says that God’s
people “rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit” (NIV), apparently suggesting both
that the Holy Spirit is distinct from God himself (it is “his Holy Spirit”),
and that this Holy Spirit can be “grieved,” thus suggesting emotional
capabilities characteristic of a distinct person. Furthermore, several Old
Testament passages about “the angel of the Lord” suggest a plurality of persons
in God. The word translated “angel” (Heb. mal’ak) means simply “messenger.” If
this angel of the Lord is a “messenger” of the Lord, he is then distinct from
the Lord himself. Yet at some points the angel of the Lord is called “God” or
“the Lord” (see Gen. 16:13; Ex. 3:2–6; 23:20–22; Num. 22:35 with 38; Judg.
2:1–2; 6:11 with 14).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">At other points in the Old Testament “the angel of the Lord”
simply refers to a created angel, but at least at these texts the special angel
(or “messenger”) of the Lord seems to be a distinct person who is fully divine.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. More complete revelation of the Trinity in the New
Testament. When the New Testament opens, we enter the history of the coming of
the Son of God to earth. It is to be expected that this great event would be
accompanied by more explicit teaching about the trinitarian nature of God, and
that is in fact what we find. Before looking at this in detail, we can simply
list several passages where all three persons of the Trinity are named
together. When Jesus was baptized, “the heavens were opened and he saw the
Spirit of God descending like a dove, and alighting on him; and lo, a voice
from heaven, saying, ‘This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased’ ”
(Matt. 3:16–17).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here at one moment, we have three members of the Trinity
performing three distinct activities. God the Father is speaking from heaven;
God the Son is being baptized and is then spoken to from heaven by God the
Father; and God the Holy Spirit is descending from heaven to rest upon and
empower Jesus for his ministry. At the end of Jesus’ earthly ministry, he tells
the disciples that they should go “and make disciples of all nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt.
28:19). The very names “Father” and “Son,” drawn as they are from the family,
the most familiar of human institutions, indicate very strongly the distinct
personhood of both the Father and the Son. When “the Holy Spirit” is put in the
same expression and on the same level as the other two persons, it is hard to
avoid the conclusion that the Holy Spirit is also viewed as a person and of
equal standing with the Father and the Son.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Grudem, Wayne A.. Bible Doctrine (p. 104). Zondervan
Academic. Kindle Edition.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEht7QvgMN40BMdAyIbr7HYtnKSLvM7MoOVDhDiV1OvaFwbsh09v9lh23SYgBC6RZIdGTWbM6YzgxYROeiH4wbPWXbD0ahvCEo_cNZuyMxeCP-vSROO9rQD2HF0dLiYNuNEc_AjgTI1WzmY/s2048/Lutheran+%252B+Graph.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1575" data-original-width="2048" height="493" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEht7QvgMN40BMdAyIbr7HYtnKSLvM7MoOVDhDiV1OvaFwbsh09v9lh23SYgBC6RZIdGTWbM6YzgxYROeiH4wbPWXbD0ahvCEo_cNZuyMxeCP-vSROO9rQD2HF0dLiYNuNEc_AjgTI1WzmY/w640-h493/Lutheran+%252B+Graph.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiRoy_A-1OqztQM0qdTJz-ljjI__DFHI_z241hqHdAdWvGRk1BpAWORasB5LOqi_rQRKMdGt7ffN0Inf4IlM0CIcOfUBJ0kC_KRqICSXMir_Od4iI6Dysi-uuJXHf93XGT9_AdiZlY98uI/s2048/Lutheran+Trinity++C.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1203" data-original-width="2048" height="376" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiRoy_A-1OqztQM0qdTJz-ljjI__DFHI_z241hqHdAdWvGRk1BpAWORasB5LOqi_rQRKMdGt7ffN0Inf4IlM0CIcOfUBJ0kC_KRqICSXMir_Od4iI6Dysi-uuJXHf93XGT9_AdiZlY98uI/w640-h376/Lutheran+Trinity++C.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhFrPoTOY-dJgCc2K9xSgMIzutVQLrYM91QTu4ug5PIt_RFtFSMyhTyMjF6R8qs6FxKFUPIESPRjWI1oSRc1pFaBZn1GigWs8A8YpOXXQQmeQ7M4szN8vcvv4ujdTSCt0NfDFr_NidEOF4/s2048/Joseph+teaches+Trinity.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1051" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhFrPoTOY-dJgCc2K9xSgMIzutVQLrYM91QTu4ug5PIt_RFtFSMyhTyMjF6R8qs6FxKFUPIESPRjWI1oSRc1pFaBZn1GigWs8A8YpOXXQQmeQ7M4szN8vcvv4ujdTSCt0NfDFr_NidEOF4/w328-h640/Joseph+teaches+Trinity.jpg" width="328" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> Notice Joseph Smith changed his Godhead doctrine after 1835</span></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;"><b><br /></b></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjpm9sfNhpp9kW2Bk9kyNopCkCsc9iOR6IvVVt3ta4gBY34SxRkWbflFdUUmnHOOICVpg7dqybsZaDXEqVNsB93dKaBLjzxR-PypeMerIFN61xIOD2voXbmbCvNGYP1A7Sk6gWJ3b7aG2w/s2048/3+gods.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1755" data-original-width="2048" height="343" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjpm9sfNhpp9kW2Bk9kyNopCkCsc9iOR6IvVVt3ta4gBY34SxRkWbflFdUUmnHOOICVpg7dqybsZaDXEqVNsB93dKaBLjzxR-PypeMerIFN61xIOD2voXbmbCvNGYP1A7Sk6gWJ3b7aG2w/w400-h343/3+gods.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><span><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small; text-align: start;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;">Jesus also rose from the dead in a physical, human body, though one that was made perfect and was no longer subject to weakness, disease, or death. He demonstrates repeatedly to his disciples that he does have a real physical body. He says, “See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39). He is showing them and teaching them that he has “flesh and bones” and is not merely a “spirit” without a body. Another evidence of this fact is that “they gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate before them” (Luke 24:42; cf. v. 30; John 20:17, 20, 27; 21:9, 13). In this same human body (though a resurrection body that was made perfect), Jesus also ascended into heaven. He said before he left, “I am leaving the world and going to the Father” (John 16:28; cf. 17:11). The way in which Jesus ascended up to heaven was calculated to demonstrate the continuity between his existence in a physical body here on earth and his continuing existence in that body in heaven. Just a few verses after Jesus had told them, “A spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39), we read in Luke’s gospel that Jesus “led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them. While he blessed them, he parted from them, and was carried up into heaven” (Luke 24:50–51). Similarly, we read in Acts, “As they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight” (Acts 1:9). All of these verses taken together show that, as far as Jesus’ human body is concerned, it was like ours in every respect before his resurrection, and after his resurrection it was still a human body with “flesh and bones,” but made perfect, the kind of body that we will have when Christ returns and we are raised from the dead as well. 2 Jesus continues to exist in that human body in heaven, as the ascension is designed to teach</span>.</span><br style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small; text-align: start;">Grudem, Wayne A.. Bible Doctrine (p. 229). Zondervan Academic. Kindle Edition.</span></span><br style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /></span></p><div style="text-align: justify;"><b><span><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #fff2cc; color: red; font-size: medium; text-align: start;">Mormon blind guide writers try to tell their blind followers we teach Jesus dropped his body somewhere and doesn't have it anymore </span></span></b></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #fff2cc; font-size: small; font-weight: 700;"><br /></span></div><span style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><div style="font-weight: bold; text-align: justify;"><span style="color: red; text-align: start;">below Blind guide, Le Grand Richards teaches what he thinks we teach 😀 </span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small; font-weight: 700;"><br /></span></div><span face="sans-serif" style="color: red; font-size: small; font-weight: bold; text-align: start;"><div style="text-align: justify;">Following his resurrection, Jesus appeared to many. While the eleven apostles were gathered together at Jerusalem discussing what had happened,</div></span><div style="text-align: justify;"><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></div><span face="sans-serif" style="color: red; font-size: small; font-weight: bold; text-align: start;"><div style="text-align: justify;">Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.</div></span><div style="text-align: justify;"><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></div><span face="sans-serif" style="color: red; font-size: small; font-weight: bold; text-align: start;"><div style="text-align: justify;">But they were terrified and affrighted and supposed that they had seen a spirit.</div></span><div style="text-align: justify;"><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></div><span face="sans-serif" style="color: red; font-size: small; font-weight: bold; text-align: start;"><div style="text-align: justify;">And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?</div></span><div style="text-align: justify;"><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></div><span face="sans-serif" style="color: red; font-size: small; font-weight: bold; text-align: start;"><div style="text-align: justify;">Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Luke 24:36-39.)</div></span><div style="text-align: justify;"><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></div><span face="sans-serif" style="color: red; font-size: small; font-weight: bold; text-align: start;"><div style="text-align: justify;">To further prove that he had his body, he took a piece of broiled fish and of honeycomb and did eat before them.</div></span><div style="text-align: justify;"><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></div><span face="sans-serif" style="color: red; font-size: small; font-weight: bold; text-align: start;"><div style="text-align: justify;">With his resurrected body he ascended to heaven in the presence of five hundred brethren: . . . he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once. . . ." (1 Corinthians 15:6.)</div></span><div style="text-align: justify;"><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></div><span face="sans-serif" style="color: red; font-size: small; font-weight: bold; text-align: start;"><div style="text-align: justify;">His apostles saw him ascend into heaven and the "two men [who] stood by them in white apparel" affirmed the fact:</div></span><div style="text-align: justify;"><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></div><span face="sans-serif" style="color: red; font-size: small; font-weight: bold; text-align: start;"><div style="text-align: justify;">And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;</div></span><div style="text-align: justify;"><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></div><span face="sans-serif" style="color: red; font-size: small; font-weight: bold; text-align: start;"><div style="text-align: justify;">Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. (Acts 1:10-11.)</div></span><div style="text-align: justify;"><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></div><span face="sans-serif" style="font-size: small; font-weight: bold; text-align: start;"><div style="text-align: justify;"><u>If Jesus is one in spirit with his Father, without body or form, so large that he fills the universe and so small that he dwells in each heart, as so many believe and as the churches teach, then what meaning has the resurrection which is commemorated each Easter in the Christian churches, and what did he do with his body after he showed it to his apostles and others?</u></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><u><br /></u></div></span><br style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="color: red; font-size: small; font-weight: bold; text-align: start;">"A Marvelous Work and A Wonder" Le Grand Richards pp 19-20</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div style="text-align: start;"><span style="color: red;"><b><br /></b></span></div><div style="text-align: start;"><span style="color: red;"><b><br /></b></span></div><div style="text-align: start;"><span style="color: red;"><b><br /></b></span></div><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: left;"><o:p style="background-color: #fff2cc;"><b><span style="color: red;"> </span></b></o:p><span style="text-align: center;">The Incommunicable Attributes of God 1.
Independence. God’s independence is defined as follows: God does not need us or
the rest of creation for anything, yet we and the rest of creation glorify him
and bring him joy. This attribute of God is sometimes called his self-existence
or his aseity (from the Latin words a se, which mean “from himself”). Scripture
in several places teaches that God does not need any part of creation in order
to exist or for any other reason. God is absolutely independent and self-sufficient.
Paul proclaims to the men of Athens, “The God who made the world and everything
in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in shrines made by man,
nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself
gives to all men life and breath and everything” (Acts 17:24–25). The
implication is that God does not need anything from mankind. (See also Job
41:11; Psalm 50:10–12.)</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p>Grudem, Wayne A. (2014-10-27T23:58:59).
Bible Doctrine . Zondervan Academic. Kindle Edition.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p><span style="color: red; font-size: 12pt;">W. Cleon
Skousen, a former BYU professor, wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">Through
modern revelation we learn that the universe is filled with vast numbers of
intelligences, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of
these intelligences honor and sustain Him as such.... But since God 'acquired'
the honor and sustaining influence of 'all things' it follows as a corollary
that if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or sense of
justice' of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support,
and the 'power' of God would disintegrate.... 'He would cease to be God.' Our
Heavenly Father can do only those things which the intelligences under Him are
voluntarily willing to support Him in accomplishing (The First 2000 Years, pp.
355-356).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Evidence in Scripture. In Psalm 102 we
find a contrast between things which we may think to be permanent such as the
earth or the heavens, on the one hand, and God, on the other hand. The psalmist
says: Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work
of your hands. They will perish, but you endure; they will all wear out like a
garment. You change them like raiment, and they pass away; but you are the
same, and your years have no end. (Ps. 102:25–27).3 God existed before the
heavens and earth were made, and he will exist long after they have been
destroyed. God causes the universe to change, but in contrast to this change he
is “the same.” Referring to his own qualities of patience, long-suffering, and
mercy, God says, “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob,
are not consumed” (Mal. 3:6). Here God uses a general statement of his
unchangeableness to refer to some specific ways in which he does not change.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p>“God is not a man, that he should lie, or
a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or be
spoken, and will he not fulfil it?” (Num. 23:19; cf. 1 Sam. 15:29).</p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p>Grudem, Wayne A. (2014-10-27T23:58:59).
Bible Doctrine . Zondervan Academic. Kindle Edition.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">As man
is, God once was</span></u><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">;
as God is, man may become.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">Author:
Lorenzo Snow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">Source:
Gospel Through The Ages<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">Chapter:
43<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">Page: 105<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">"God
himself was once as we are now, <u>and is an exalted Man,</u> and sits
enthroned in yonder<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">heavens.
That is the great secret... …I am going to tell you how God came to be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">God. We
have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">refute
that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. … It is the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">first
principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">to
know...that he was once a man like us.... Here, then, is eternal life - to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">know the
only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">yourselves,
and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">before
you... (“King Follett Discourse,” Journal of Discourses 6:3-4, also in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;"> </span><span style="color: red; font-size: 12pt;">Teachings
of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345-346, and History of the Church, vol.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: red; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;">6,
305-307,)"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><span style="background-color: #f3f3f3;"><br /></span><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p>creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-60512865289745646952021-02-04T08:36:00.009-08:002022-07-29T11:04:06.282-07:00Strange teachings from the First Presidency of the Mormon religion <p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><b style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjpIkb8q5nuvewhyDSXX4Qi-XBsNf0qgebydC1Bvt1X7Ao_LNeGGdMIFYequ4Rs6YNkzSrdwuZ6ybdXGh2WDzqn9XIYiTo76CZ9KP1LdjHln0yArEYMImsrNdypp2y9RLYu9s9mgsqzytA/s2048/jesus_christ_heaven_arms_raised.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1322" data-original-width="2048" height="259" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjpIkb8q5nuvewhyDSXX4Qi-XBsNf0qgebydC1Bvt1X7Ao_LNeGGdMIFYequ4Rs6YNkzSrdwuZ6ybdXGh2WDzqn9XIYiTo76CZ9KP1LdjHln0yArEYMImsrNdypp2y9RLYu9s9mgsqzytA/w400-h259/jesus_christ_heaven_arms_raised.jpg" width="400" /></a></span></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; 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font-size: medium;">Rev 1:6 And unto him who loved us be glory, who washed us
from our sins in his own blood and hath made us kings and priests unto God, his
Father. To him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;">Joseph Smith Translation </span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;">He also taught the Godhead was three gods when his pre-1836 canon taught ONE GOD</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b></b></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><b><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhLJEa5kSBhHDTNc91GkZjCFpd9nwMLu4Tj6rCeeDIJvcaY_1zcj0L4dz8MvZY5HOTNgRDiLd1-okh_g1wv7AYjuEouOhvggxOAZ1fNRmNmCYKsqSqW5Z6Laq6C8UbKKmAg_pGBhPbMeKU/s2048/One+God+S.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1171" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhLJEa5kSBhHDTNc91GkZjCFpd9nwMLu4Tj6rCeeDIJvcaY_1zcj0L4dz8MvZY5HOTNgRDiLd1-okh_g1wv7AYjuEouOhvggxOAZ1fNRmNmCYKsqSqW5Z6Laq6C8UbKKmAg_pGBhPbMeKU/w366-h640/One+God+S.jpg" width="366" /></a></b></div><b><br /><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b></b></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><b><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfI8xjUlBxQGbXM37EonOhw29tgIzbv6oOQuXxhXcWThlIcZWXV5kGm7c4t_n_AWH1WybvHyQQagAJVby5oTkZ1vsV_PqJuNCgbskPfErBPbM05mqpVHEUJ-U-_CBsNLj57phyG5UxaUE/s2048/Joseph+teaches+Trinity.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1051" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfI8xjUlBxQGbXM37EonOhw29tgIzbv6oOQuXxhXcWThlIcZWXV5kGm7c4t_n_AWH1WybvHyQQagAJVby5oTkZ1vsV_PqJuNCgbskPfErBPbM05mqpVHEUJ-U-_CBsNLj57phyG5UxaUE/w328-h640/Joseph+teaches+Trinity.jpg" width="328" /></a></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiRTVdh5O-1wFcjBs0vCAF8yeCkBxsxoc6ynNPM0Sc7KhofPrP0w_o7sspPnEXNF3laBtRR9GjZ13-W6ZYYtq8Ih1aXawiGlOQgCtk7laM7hjd3Es2KVSV5mKAqRr0DflEGleUhCjskSNA/s2048/Godhead+in+The+BOM.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1326" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiRTVdh5O-1wFcjBs0vCAF8yeCkBxsxoc6ynNPM0Sc7KhofPrP0w_o7sspPnEXNF3laBtRR9GjZ13-W6ZYYtq8Ih1aXawiGlOQgCtk7laM7hjd3Es2KVSV5mKAqRr0DflEGleUhCjskSNA/w414-h640/Godhead+in+The+BOM.jpg" width="414" /></a></div><div><br /></div><p class="ChapNo" id="1" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px; text-align: center;">42</p><p class="Chapter" id="2" style="background-color: white; color: #4d6f79; font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 30px; font-weight: bold; line-height: 29px; margin: 25px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px; text-align: center;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_2" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the God of the Athanasian Creed</p><p id="3" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_3" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>Question: <i>"May I raise a question about one of your statements? You state that in the year A.D. 325 the bishops of the church 'rejected the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and substituted the Athanasian Creed.' For me this statement needs clarification. May I inquire in what respect 'the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob' differs from the God as stated in the Athanasian Creed?"</i></p><p id="4" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged" style="font-size: 16px;"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_4" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>Answer: The God of Abraham came down to visit Abraham and instruct him on several occasions, as he did likewise to others of the prophets. <b><span style="color: red; font-size: medium;">So Abraham became acquainted with our Heavenly Father and knew him</span></b>. All I need to do to show that the God of Athanasius is not the God of Abraham is to refer to three points.</p><p id="4" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><b><span style="color: #6aa84f;">If you know Joseph Fielding Smith had taught it was Jesus who walk and talked with Abraham</span></b></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhTdIjx4WktRPFprJcwg-qoIjeTIzV4YBolUuxQoksAfZJSyz7zag9mzNdWhUgfAZ9_0nWCZaFmBbSv52P43Sq32jpKeyWGwHa6mRyTXrCAFQ8BntrJ_jPpcaTwAbYKqmnpCaR2Ez3UbbU/s2048/Penrose+Finger.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1583" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhTdIjx4WktRPFprJcwg-qoIjeTIzV4YBolUuxQoksAfZJSyz7zag9mzNdWhUgfAZ9_0nWCZaFmBbSv52P43Sq32jpKeyWGwHa6mRyTXrCAFQ8BntrJ_jPpcaTwAbYKqmnpCaR2Ez3UbbU/w309-h400/Penrose+Finger.jpg" width="309" /></a></div><br /><p id="4" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><br /></p><p id="4" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><br /></p><p id="5" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_5" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>1. The creed says that God is "incomprehensible," confounding the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. This certainly is in conflict with what is written in the scriptures:</p><p class="Scripture" id="6" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_6" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: Know the Lord: for all shall know me from the least of them even to the greatest, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more. (Jeremias 31:34. (All references for this answer are quoted from Challoner's Authorized Catholic Bible. Same references can be checked in the King James Version.))</p><p id="7" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_7" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>Then in that wonderful soul-stirring prayer of our Savior to his Father, shortly before his crucifixion, he prayed:</p><p class="Scripture" id="8" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_8" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>Now this is everlasting life, that they may know thee, the only true God, and him whom thou hast sent, Jesus Christ. (<a class="scriplink" href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/goto-scrip?ref=john/17/3" style="color: #4d6f79; text-decoration-line: none;">John 17:3</a>.)</p><p class="Scripture" id="8" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">The Bible and Book of Mormon are clear God is incomprehensible </span></b></p><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">Mosiah 4:9 Believe in God; believe that he is, and that he created all things, both in heaven and in earth; believe that he has all wisdom, and all power, both in heaven and in earth; <strong><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">believe that man doth not comprehend all the things which the Lord can comprehend.</span></strong></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><br /></div><blockquote class="MsoNormal" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-style: italic; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; letter-spacing: 0.3px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 30px; word-spacing: 0.3px;"><div style="font-family: &quot; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 10px; margin: 10px 0px 30px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"><b>Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised, and his greatness is unsearchable. (Ps. 145:3)</b></span></div><div style="font-family: &quot; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 10px; margin: 10px 0px 30px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"><b>Behold, these are but the outskirts of his ways, and how small a whisper do we hear of him! But the thunder of his power who can understand? (Job 26:14)</b></span></div><div style="font-family: &quot; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 10px; margin: 10px 0px 30px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"><b>For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isa. 55:8–9)</b></span></div><div style="font-family: &quot; margin-bottom: 30px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 10px; margin: 10px 0px 30px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"><b>Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! "For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?" (Rom. 11:33–34; cf. Job 42:1–6; Ps. 139:6, 17–18; 147:5; Isa. 57:15; 1 Cor. 2:10–11; 1 Tim. 6:13–16)</b></span></div></blockquote><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span face=""gotham a" , "gotham b" , "gentiumplus" , "ezra_silregular" , "helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif" style="color: #514d47; display: inline; float: none; font-size: 18px; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; letter-spacing: 0.3px; line-height: 28px; word-spacing: 0.3px;"><b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"><br /></span></b></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: 18px; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; letter-spacing: 0.3px; margin: 10px 0px 30px; padding: 0px; word-spacing: 0.3px;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;">These verses teach that not only is God’s whole being incomprehensible but each of his attributes—his greatness, power, thoughts, ways, wisdom, and judgments—are well beyond human ability to fathom fully. Not only can we never know everything there is to know about God, we can never know everything there is to know about even one aspect of God’s character or work.</span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><b></b><i></i><u></u><sub></sub><sup></sup><strike></strike><b></b><br /></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><br /></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">James E. Talmage Mormon faux Elder</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">Articles of Faith</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">Chapter 2</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">God is Omniscient—By Him matter has been organized and energy directed. He is therefore the Creator of all things that are created; and "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world." 58 His power and His wisdom are alike incomprehensible to man, for they are infinite. Being Himself eternal and perfect, <b><span style="font-family: "arial black";"><span style="color: blue;">His knowledge cannot be otherwise than infinite. To comprehend Himself, an infinite Being</span></span></b>, He must possess an infinite mind. Through the agency of angels and ministering servants He is in continuous communication with all parts of creation, and may personally visit as He may determine.</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">Mormon 9:16</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;">16 Behold, are not the things that God hath wrought marvelous in our eyes? Yea, and <b><span style="color: blue;">who can comprehend the marvelous works of God</span></b>?</div><div><br /></div><p class="Scripture" id="8" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><br /></p><p class="Scripture" id="8" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span style="background-color: #fafafa; font-weight: bold;">SCRIPTURES ARE CLEAR ON DOCTRINE OF GODHEAD</span></p><p id="10" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_10" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>2. The creed is at fault in stating that there are not "three Eternals" but "one Eternal," thus confounding the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, when the scriptures are definitely clear that the three members of the Godhead are separate and distinct from each other; each with a definite mission to perform. The Savior told his apostles that when he went away he would send them the Comforter, who is the Holy Ghost.</p><p class="Scripture" id="11" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_11" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your mind whatsoever I have said to you. (<a class="scriplink" href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/goto-scrip?ref=john/14/26" style="color: #4d6f79; text-decoration-line: none;">John 14:26</a>.)</p><p id="12" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_12" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>Here we have the promise that the Son would go but the Advocate, or Holy Spirit, would be sent to be with the apostles.</p><p id="13" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_13" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>3. In the fact that the creed declares that in the Trinity, "None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-Eternal together, and Co-Equal" we find a conflict which is contrary to what is written in the scriptures. Arius, at that council, tried to establish one truth that was rejected. That is, that there never was a Son that was not younger than his Father, but the creed emphatically declares that the Son, as well as the Father, is "Uncreate."</p><p id="13" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe;">The Creeds do tell us Jesus was inferior or subservient to the Father </span></b></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjgwuNhCcD0VkWnOO4T7MhhONNYBeANrxRSePQlz6StbG6yLYvDbl9UOHJX_3nYDaztjs_w2qSlpgJZtls-W4XbZXFMn8JyXcn0Y_O80lBBHw6X3evYkWTYsJghuhuN_jAwKqAbkfFFY6U/s2048/Creed.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1556" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjgwuNhCcD0VkWnOO4T7MhhONNYBeANrxRSePQlz6StbG6yLYvDbl9UOHJX_3nYDaztjs_w2qSlpgJZtls-W4XbZXFMn8JyXcn0Y_O80lBBHw6X3evYkWTYsJghuhuN_jAwKqAbkfFFY6U/w486-h640/Creed.jpg" width="486" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi8ciMbnSHivRPjcICNR_gBefHfmncDutWlMRFRyHP4rTQQTOqwxDgaGx1bPIc0B-U2ExIQ2aQKBwn17srlS2_frDSEa7Yn7Z9zN3fo6LTfEUYwvX_JsO1x_XbL_cv2Rt4GnAYFO4pQNDQ/s2048/David.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1583" data-original-width="2048" height="309" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi8ciMbnSHivRPjcICNR_gBefHfmncDutWlMRFRyHP4rTQQTOqwxDgaGx1bPIc0B-U2ExIQ2aQKBwn17srlS2_frDSEa7Yn7Z9zN3fo6LTfEUYwvX_JsO1x_XbL_cv2Rt4GnAYFO4pQNDQ/w400-h309/David.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivnbQd3uPNQvmVnMu4YBc89tp8p9caP1z2Rcm6Zu_enhz-ECeYGlfDVIsBeNuUdCnaZ7AjNl_93tFHKpnoUTf3IqXtDmko0Nj3Q-Eu6RY6TJHrfr930Ojr7fjE4Ro-IpTtbxHsG8xfOPo/s1700/David+A.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1259" data-original-width="1700" height="296" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEivnbQd3uPNQvmVnMu4YBc89tp8p9caP1z2Rcm6Zu_enhz-ECeYGlfDVIsBeNuUdCnaZ7AjNl_93tFHKpnoUTf3IqXtDmko0Nj3Q-Eu6RY6TJHrfr930Ojr7fjE4Ro-IpTtbxHsG8xfOPo/w400-h296/David+A.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><span face=""segoe ui", "helvetica neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "fira sans", "droid sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; color: #141414;"><span style="font-size: medium;">"Man and all forms of life existed as spirit beings and entities before the foundations of this earth were laid. There were spirit men and spirit beasts, spirit fowls and spirit fishes, spirit plants and spirit trees. Every creeping thing, every herb and shrub, every amoeba and tadpole, every elephant and dinosaur—all things—existed as spirits, as spirit beings, before they were placed naturally upon the earth” (The Millennial Messiah, 642–43).</span></span><br /><p id="13" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><br /></p><p id="13" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><br /></p><p id="14" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_14" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>In Hebrews we find it written:</p><p class="Scripture" id="15" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_15" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>And again, when he brings the <i>firstborn </i>into the world, he says, And let all the angels of God adore him. (<a class="scriplink" href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/goto-scrip?ref=heb/1/6" style="color: #4d6f79; text-decoration-line: none;">Hebrews 1:6</a>.)</p><p id="16" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_16" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>If Christ is the Firstborn, it must have been in the pre-existence before the earth was formed. According to what is written we are all the offspring of God, as Paul declared in Athens:</p><p class="Scripture" id="17" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_17" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>For in him we live and move and have our being, as indeed some of your own poets have said,</p><p class="Scripture" id="18" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_18" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>For we are also his offspring.</p><p class="Scripture" id="19" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_19" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>If therefore we are the offspring of God, we ought not to imagine that Divinity is like gold or silver or stone, to an image graven by human art and thought. (<a class="scriplink" href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/goto-scrip?ref=acts/17/27" style="color: #4d6f79; text-decoration-line: none;">Acts 17:27-29</a>.)</p><p id="20" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_20" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>Christ is, of course, the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh.</p><p class="Scripture" id="21" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_21" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>For God so loved the world that he gave his only-begotten Son, that those who believe in him may not perish, but have life everlasting. (<a class="scriplink" href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/goto-scrip?ref=john/3/16" style="color: #4d6f79; text-decoration-line: none;">John 3:16</a>.)</p><p class="Sub1" id="22" style="background-color: #fafafa; border-bottom: 1px dotted rgb(153, 153, 153); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; margin: 40px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_22" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>DISTINCTION EMPHASIZED BETWEEN FATHER AND SON</p><p id="23" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_23" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>Contrary to the creed, Jesus Christ has said:</p><p class="Scripture" id="24" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_24" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>You have heard me say to you, if you love me, you would indeed rejoice that I am going to the Father, <i>for the Father is greater than I. (<a class="scriplink" href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/goto-scrip?ref=john/14/28" style="color: #4d6f79; text-decoration-line: none;"></a></i><a class="scriplink" href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/goto-scrip?ref=john/14/28" style="color: #4d6f79; text-decoration-line: none;">John 14:28</a>.)</p><p class="Scripture" id="25" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_25" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>Jesus answered them and said, My teaching is <i>not my own</i>, but his who sent me.</p><p class="Scripture" id="26" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_26" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>If anyone desires to do his will, he will know of the teachings whether it is from God, or whether I speak on my own authority. (<a class="scriplink" href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/goto-scrip?ref=john/7/16" style="color: #4d6f79; text-decoration-line: none;">John 7:16-17</a>.)</p><p id="27" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_27" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>Paul has written:</p><p class="Scripture" id="28" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_28" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>For he must reign, until he has put all his enemies under his feet.</p><p class="Scripture" id="29" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_29" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>And the last enemy to be destroyed will be death.</p><p class="Scripture" id="30" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_30" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>For he has put all things under his feet. But when he says all things are subject to him, undoubtedly he is excepted who has subjected all things to him.</p><p class="Scripture" id="31" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_31" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>And when all things are made subject to him, then the Son himself will also be made subject to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all. (<a class="scriplink" href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/goto-scrip?ref=1_cor/15/25" style="color: #4d6f79; text-decoration-line: none;">I Corinthians 15:25-28</a>.)</p><p id="32" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_32" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>Moreover, when Jesus prayed in Gethsemane he prayed to his Father, saying:</p><p class="Scripture" id="33" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 0.125in 0.3in 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_33" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -74px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>Father, if thou art willing, remove this cup from me; yet not my will but thine be done. (<a class="scriplink" href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/goto-scrip?ref=luke/22/42" style="color: #4d6f79; text-decoration-line: none;">Luke 22:42</a>.)</p><p id="34" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_34" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>Thus he sought in prayer something which the Father denied him.</p><p id="35" style="background-color: white; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 10px 0px 20px; padding-left: 45px;"><span class="p_tagged"><a href="https://www.gospelink.com/library/document/444#" id="a_35" style="background-image: url("images/p_tag.png"); background-repeat: no-repeat; color: #4d6f79; display: block; float: left; height: 24px; margin-left: -45px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 1px; text-decoration-line: none; width: 24px;"></a></span>These passages are a few which show that the Athanasian Creed was not inspired by the Father, but was man-made. On the occasion there was no revelation given; nor was one sought. To the contrary, men contended, bitterness followed, and there came a division among them. They had no prophet to speak, no divine word of the Lord was received, but merely the opinions of men who lacked inspiration.</p><b><div><b><br /></b></div><br /><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhjiY6e2KeW_GxqcbC2ImFtyEZZZxJfZqiPWmP8Gi99tP_EAeTXO5mvB7wFlLOr6l9E9NsxbQ3vJ6kaI6KHj6ZbtttEcXBLkhySZwt5S_paVPElUUbaBCeu3A6LnYvOO6x8SVjYGj0gHIs/s2048/Lutheran+3+in+One.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1770" data-original-width="2048" height="346" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhjiY6e2KeW_GxqcbC2ImFtyEZZZxJfZqiPWmP8Gi99tP_EAeTXO5mvB7wFlLOr6l9E9NsxbQ3vJ6kaI6KHj6ZbtttEcXBLkhySZwt5S_paVPElUUbaBCeu3A6LnYvOO6x8SVjYGj0gHIs/w400-h346/Lutheran+3+in+One.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><p></p></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjTM8B-Wjin6rRNUHvDbrP_y594ByCULAX_4ZUZVnhkPyEAM1mdP9_dqR5bgdi8ODTDz58L0UOObRyhorbmbcSR4W5hSwPfQ7JFZ4Q_A06J6PpIA7YNO4FQEvikyk0Jnaqdr9phuWl7LHc/s2048/Lutheran+Trinity++C.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1203" data-original-width="2048" height="235" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjTM8B-Wjin6rRNUHvDbrP_y594ByCULAX_4ZUZVnhkPyEAM1mdP9_dqR5bgdi8ODTDz58L0UOObRyhorbmbcSR4W5hSwPfQ7JFZ4Q_A06J6PpIA7YNO4FQEvikyk0Jnaqdr9phuWl7LHc/w400-h235/Lutheran+Trinity++C.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;">“What do Latter-day Saints believe about grace? We believe
that God’s grace is what ultimately saves us; yet it does not save us without
our doing all that we can to live God’s commandments and follow Jesus Christ’s
teachings. We do not believe salvation comes by simply confessing belief in
Christ as our Savior. Faith, works, ordinances, and grace are all necessary” (Ensign,
March 2013, p. 21).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="messagebody2"><span style="font-family: "Tahoma",sans-serif;">"Man
and all forms of life existed as spirit beings and entities before the
foundations of this earth were laid. There were spirit men and spirit beasts,
spirit fowls and spirit fishes, spirit plants and spirit trees. Every creeping
thing, every herb and shrub, every amoeba and tadpole, every elephant and
dinosaur—all things—existed as spirits, as spirit beings, before they were
placed naturally upon the earth” (The Millennial Messiah, 642–43).<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><br /></div>creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-49423941638168339742020-12-03T12:29:00.003-08:002020-12-03T12:47:42.478-08:00The Mormon Blood Atonement Doctrine <p> </p><p class="MsoNormal">THE DOCTRINE OF BLOOD ATONEMENT<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">CLEANSING POWER OF BLOOD OF CHRIST. The Latter-day Saints
believe in the efficacy of the blood of Christ. They believe that through
obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel they obtain a remission of
sins; but this could not be if Christ had not died for them. 26 If you did
believe in blood atonement, I might ask you why the blood of Christ was shed,
and in whose stead was it shed? I might ask you to explain the words of Paul,
"Without shedding of blood is no remission." <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;">Are you aware that there are certain sins that man may
commit for which the atoning blood of Christ does not avail?</span></b> Do you not know,
too, that this doctrine is taught in the Book of Mormon? And is not this
further reason why you should discard the book as well as the name? Is it not
safe for us to rely upon the scriptures for the solution of problems of this
kind?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">TRUE DOCTRINE OF BLOOD ATONEMENT. Just a word or two now, on
the subject of blood atonement. What is that doctrine? Unadulterated, if you
please, laying aside the pernicious insinuations and lying charges that have so
often been made, it is simply this: Through the atonement of Christ all mankind
may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. Salvation
is twofold: General-that which comes to all men irrespective of a belief (in
this life) in Christ-and, Individual-that which man merits through his own acts
through life and by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But man may commit certain grievous sins-according to his
light and knowledge-that will place him beyond the reach of the atoning blood
of Christ. If then he would be saved he must make sacrifice of his own life to
atone-so far as in his power lies-for that sin, <b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;">for the blood of Christ alone
under certain circumstances will not avail.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">MURDERERS AND THE ATONEMENT. Do you believe this doctrine?
If not, then I do say you do not believe in the true doctrine of the atonement
of Christ. This is the doctrine you are pleased to call the "blood
atonement of Brighamism." <b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;">This is the doctrine of Christ our Redeemer, who
died for us. This is the doctrine of Joseph Smith, and I accept it.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;"> </span></b></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Doctrine of Salvation Vol 1 pages 133-134<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSwMtSMHzlWeZ2ZkmVuNpps5dkYr6B-lwqiNF4fj2ypuKYnl1J9v_YAGYbesqciDqvwucfnogXq79sTGffJQDDE0kPZkSmAuFYlR06XP1htNQAXd4tw7HTShSOwvPTHhe7vyHK_atb1j8/s2048/DESTRUCT.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1369" data-original-width="2048" height="268" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSwMtSMHzlWeZ2ZkmVuNpps5dkYr6B-lwqiNF4fj2ypuKYnl1J9v_YAGYbesqciDqvwucfnogXq79sTGffJQDDE0kPZkSmAuFYlR06XP1htNQAXd4tw7HTShSOwvPTHhe7vyHK_atb1j8/w400-h268/DESTRUCT.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Journal of Discourses 4:220 “This is loving our neighbour as
ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is
necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill
it. Any of you who understand the principles of eternity, if you have sinned a
sin requiring the shedding of blood, except the sin unto death, would not be
satisfied nor rest until your blood should be spilled, that you might gain that
salvation you desire. That is the way to love mankind.” – Brigham Young, Salt
Lake City, February 8, 1857<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mormon Doctrine, pg. 92 “But under certain circumstances
there are some serious sins for which the cleansing of Christ does not operate,
and the law of God is that men must then have their own blood shed to atone for
their sins. Murder, for instance, is one of these sins; hence we find the Lord
commanding capital punishment.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Doctrines of Salvation 1:133 “But man may commit certain
grievous sins-according to his light and knowledge-that will place him beyond
the reach of the atoning blood of Christ. If then he would be saved he must
make sacrifice of his own life to atone-so far as in his power lies-for that
sin, for the blood of Christ alone under certain circumstances will not avail.
…Do you believe this doctrine? If not, then I do say you do not believe in the
true doctrine of the atonement of Christ. This is the doctrine you are pleased
to call the “blood atonement of Brighamism.” This is the doctrine of Christ our
Redeemer, who died for us. This is the doctrine of Joseph Smith, and I accept
it….To these I will add: “Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put
to death by the mouth of witnesses…”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Doctrines of Salvation 1:135 “Joseph Smith taught that there
were certain sins so grievous that man may commit, that they will place the
transgressors beyond the power of the atonement of Christ. If these offenses
are committed, then the blood of Christ will not cleanse them from their sins
even though they repent. Therefore their only hope is to have their own blood
shed to atone,as far as possible, in their behalf. This is scriptural doctrine,
and is taught in all the standard works of the Church.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“I am opposed to hanging, even if a man kill another, I will
shoot him, or cut off his head, spill his blood on the ground and let the smoke
ascend thereof up to God…” (Joseph Smith, Documentary History of the Church
5:296).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“Let me suppose a case. Suppose you found your brother in
bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them. You would be
justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the
kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case, and under such circumstances,
I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her
heart, and I would do it with clean hands” (Brigham Young, JOD 3:247).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“If you want to know what to do with a thief that you may
find stealing. I say kill him on the spot, and never suffer him to commit
another iniquity … If I caught a man stealing on my premises I should be very
apt to send him straight home, and that is what I wish every man to do, to put
a stop to that abominable practice in the midst of this people” (Brigham Young,
JOD 1:108).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: medium;">“Shall I tell you of the law of God in regards to the
African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood
with the seed of Cain, the penalty under the law of God is death on the spot.
This will always be so” </span></b>(Brigham Young, JOD 10:110)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">“I say, there are men and women that I would advise to got
to the Presidency immediately, and ask him to appoint a committee to attend to
their case; and then let a place be selected, and let that committee shed their
blood. We have those amongst us that are full of all manner of abominations,
those who need to have their bloodshed, for water will not do, their sins are
too deep a dye … I believe that there are a great many; and if they are
covenant breakers we need a place designated, where we can shed their blood …
Brethren and sisters, we want you to repent and forsake your sins. And you who
have committed sins that cannot be forgiven through baptism, let your blood be
shed, and let the smoke ascend, that the incense thereof may come up before God
as an atonement for your sins, and that the sinners in Zion may be afraid”
(Jedediah M. Grant, JOD 4:49-51).<o:p></o:p></p>creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-20869181364029600952020-09-14T23:48:00.027-07:002021-08-27T11:21:38.000-07:00President Russell M Nelsons throws past Presidents under the bus <p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDStBeOQlVqzKPAgKTfxqhl1J3emRcDNmjAX3mutU280-MNCihdbXUuiCgs3KTrpcNBI62bi20cf_zp1rVU7fA4YOtcoM3KVqrPZ7Ty2yBqz_Vbhr6ndVTiLPV3zkoT8fX-4xYr43lMzE/s2048/Juxtopse.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2048" data-original-width="1590" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDStBeOQlVqzKPAgKTfxqhl1J3emRcDNmjAX3mutU280-MNCihdbXUuiCgs3KTrpcNBI62bi20cf_zp1rVU7fA4YOtcoM3KVqrPZ7Ty2yBqz_Vbhr6ndVTiLPV3zkoT8fX-4xYr43lMzE/w496-h640/Juxtopse.jpg" width="496" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; 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text-align: center;"><br /></div><br />creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-14524600591304410202020-07-19T16:24:00.009-07:002022-01-11T10:30:42.801-08:00The Book of Mormon versus Joseph Smith <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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<span face="" style="color: blue; font-size: large; line-height: 107%;"><b>As you can see the Book of Mormon </b><b>contradicts</b><b> Joseph Smith on almost everything he taught after 1835 </b></span><br />
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">Joseph Smith: Many men say there is one God; the
Father, the<o:p></o:p></span></b></div>
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">son and the Holy Ghost are only one God! I say this
is a strange God<o:p></o:p></span></b></div>
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">anyhow—three in one, and one in three! It is a
curious organization. . . . All<o:p></o:p></span></b></div>
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">are to be crammed into one God, according to sectarianism.
It would make the </span></b><b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">biggest God in all the world. He would be a
wonderfully big God—he would be a </span></b><b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">giant or a monster. “</span></b></div>
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">(History of the Church * Volume 6 Page 476 * 1844</span></b></div>
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">"I have always declared God to be a distinct
personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father,
and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three
constitute three distinct personages and<span style="color: red;"> three Gods</span>," (Teachings of
Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370)<o:p></o:p></span></b></div>
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<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">How could God go from God from Eternity in pre-1835 to Joseph Smith's teachings that God progressed to God post-1835 </span></b></div>
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">"God himself was once as we are now, and is an
exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder<o:p></o:p></span></b></div>
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">heavens. That is the great secret... …I am going to
tell you how God came to be<o:p></o:p></span></b></div>
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">God. We have imagined and supposed<span style="color: red;"> that God was God
from all eternity. I will<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></div>
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may see.</span> … It is the<o:p></o:p></span></b></div>
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty
the character of God and<o:p></o:p></span></b></div>
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">to know...<span style="color: red;">that he was once a man like us</span>.... Here,
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">know the only wise and true God; and you have got to
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<b><span face="" style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 107%;">yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the
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<b><span class="messagebody2"><span face="" style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="color: red;">As man is, God once was;</span> as God is, man may
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<span class="messagebody2">Author: Lorenzo Snow </span><br />
<span class="messagebody2">Source: Gospel Through The Ages </span><br />
<span class="messagebody2">Chapter: 43 </span><br />
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<b> Moroni 7:22 For
behold, God knowing all things, <span style="color: blue;">being from everlasting to everlasting</span> , behold,
he sent angels to minister unto the children of men, to make manifest
concerning the coming of Christ; and in Christ there should come every good
thing.<o:p></o:p></b></div>
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<b>2 Nephi 27:23<o:p></o:p></b></div>
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<b> For behold, I am god;
and I am a God of miracles; and I will show unto the world that I am the <span style="color: blue;">same
yesterday, today, and forever</span>; and I work not among the children of men save it
be according to their faith.<o:p></o:p></b></div>
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may prove unto many that<span style="color: blue;"> I am the same yesterday, today, and forever;</span> and that
I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have
spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is
not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that
time henceforth and forever.<o:p></o:p></b></div>
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not read <span style="color: blue;">that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever , and in him there
is no variableness neither shadow of changing?</span></b></div>
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miracles wrought then, why has God ceased to be a God of miracles and yet be an
unchanging Being? And <span style="color: blue;">behold, I say unto you he changeth not; if so he would
cease to be God; and he ceaseth not to be God, and is a God of miracles.”</span></b></div>
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<b> 2 Nephi 19:9 And I do
this that I may prove unto many <span style="color: blue;">that I am the same yesterday, today, and
forev</span><span style="color: red;"><span style="color: blue;">er</span>; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And
because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak
another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of
man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.<span style="color: red;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></b></div>
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knowing all things</span><span style="color: red;">,</span><span style="color: red;"> <span style="color: blue;">being from everlasting to everlasting,</span> </span><span style="color: red;">behold, he sent
angels to minister unto the children of men, to make manifest concerning the
coming of Christ; and in Christ there should come every good thing.<span style="color: red;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></b></div>
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<b><span style="color: red;">By these things we know that there is a God in heaven, who
is infinite and eternal, from <span style="color: blue;">everlast</span></span><span style="color: blue;">ing to everlasting the same unchangeable
God, the framer of heaven and earth, and all things which are in them;</span> D&C
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<b>12 And now, my sons, remember, remember that it is upon <span style="color: blue;">the
rock of our Redeemer, who is Christ, the Son of God,</span> that ye must build your
foundation; that when the devil shall send forth his mighty winds, yea, his
shafts in the whirlwind, yea, when all his hail and his mighty storm shall beat
upon you, it shall have no power over you to drag you down to the gulf of
misery and endless wo, because of the rock upon which ye are built, which is a
sure foundation, a foundation whereon if men build they cannot fall.</b><o:p></o:p><br />
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build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.’ [Matthew
16:18.]<span style="color: red;"> What rock? <u>Revelation</u></span>.”</span></b></div>
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<br /></div>creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-65100842674292735932020-05-01T21:27:00.003-07:002021-03-18T18:27:24.809-07:00Elijah of the Old Testament was fulfilled by John the Baptist <br />
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consider in this "restution of all things" (acts 3 :19-21) is the
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<sup><span face=""arial black" , sans-serif" style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;">11 Truly I tell you, among
those born of women there has not risen anyone greater <u><span style="color: blue;">than John the Baptist;</span></u>
yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the
days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to
violence,<span style="color: black;"> </span>and violent people have been
raiding it. 13 <u><span style="color: blue;">For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And
if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever
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them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and restores all things. And how is it
written concerning the Son of Man, that He must suffer many things and be
treated with contempt? 13 </span><span face=""arial black" , sans-serif" style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="color: blue;">But I say to you that Elijah has also come, and they
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children,’ </span></span><span face=""arial black" , sans-serif" style="color: black; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;">and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a
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<sup><span face=""arial black" , sans-serif" style="color: black; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;">Notice how the LDS have missing
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<sup><span face=""arial black" , sans-serif" style="color: black; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;">11 Jesus replied, </span><span face=""arial black" , sans-serif" style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="color: blue;">“Elijah is
indeed coming first to get everything ready for the Messiah. 12 But I tell you,
Elijah has already come, but he wasn’t recognized,</span></span><span face=""arial black" , sans-serif" style="color: black; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"> and they chose to abuse him.
And in the same way they will also make the Son of Man suffer.” 13 </span><span face=""arial black" , sans-serif" style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%;"><span style="color: blue;">Then the
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<b><span style="font-size: large;"><span face=""arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif" style="text-indent: 20px;"> Acts 3:19-21 says "the times of refreshing" and the "times of restitution [i.e. restoration] of all things" will come when God sends Christ back at the second coming. Christ is the one who restores all things and brings the refreshing, so this is a prophecy yet to be fulfilled! As a result of Adam's sin, not only man, but all creation was cursed (Gen. 3:17; Rom. 8:19-23). </span></span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: large;"><span face=""arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif" style="text-indent: 20px;">"But </span><em style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-indent: 20px;">now</em><span face=""arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif" style="text-indent: 20px;"> we see not yet all things put under Him" (Heb. 2:9a), and not until Christ's return in glory will there be a "restitution of all things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began" (Acts 3:21). </span></span></b><br />
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<span face=""roboto" , "arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #001320; text-align: justify;"><b><span style="font-size: large;">For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.</span></b></span><br />
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<br />creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-1018489504447050612020-04-07T09:46:00.004-07:002021-01-18T14:06:47.938-08:00Joseph Smith's evolving doctrine of the Godhead <br />
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21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way;
and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be
saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ,
and the only <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy
Ghost, <u>which is one God</u>,</span></b> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>without end. Amen.<o:p></o:p></div>
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44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and
young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the
righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost;
but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the
body, and shall be brought and be arraigned <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">before the bar of Christ the Son,
and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, <u>which is one Eternal God,</u></span></b> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>to be judged according to their works, whether
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7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world,
whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given
unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless
praises with the choirs above, <b><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: blue;">unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the
Holy Ghost, <u>which are one God</u></span><u>,</u> </span></b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>in a
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Holy Ghost, <u>which is one God</u>.</b><b> </b></span> Amen.<o:p></o:p></div>
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1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words
which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb
shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of
the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in
one; <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">for there is <u>one God</u></span></b> and one Shepherd over all the earth.<o:p></o:p></div>
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28 <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost <u>are one God</u>, </span></b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.<o:p></o:p></div>
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1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven:
<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three <u>are one</u></span></b>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Joseph Smith translation <o:p></o:p></div>
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6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in
the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be
the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">but there is <u>no God beside me</u></span></b>,
and all things are present with me, for I know them all.<o:p></o:p></div>
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Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion
as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. <b><span style="color: red; font-size: large;">We are told that the Book of
Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a
dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work
of salvation for the dead <u>and that there are many other things pertaining to
the gospel that are not developed in that book</u></span></b>, and yet we are told that the
book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." Well, what is
the fulness of the gospel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the
three glories, Section 76, in the Doctrine and Covenants, and you find there
defined what the gospel is. <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">There God, the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ,
his Son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three Persons in the<u>
Trinity</u>—the one God, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being
<u>one God</u>. </span></b>When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are
spoken of in the same list of principles, you get the fulness of the gospel for
this reason: If you really believe so as to have faith in our Eternal Father
and in his Son, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer, and will hear him, you will learn
ail about what is needed to be done for the salvation of the living and redemption
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personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father,
and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three
constitute three distinct personages and </span><span style="color: red; font-size: large;">three Gods</span><span style="color: #333333; font-size: 12pt;">," (Teachings of
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<b><span face=""tahoma" , sans-serif" style="line-height: 115%;"><span style="color: red; font-size: large;">The Godhead consists of the three distinct personages and
three gods</span></span><span face=""tahoma" , sans-serif" style="color: #333333; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;">.. The Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Father and Son have bodies of
flesh and bones, while the Holy Spirit is a personage of spirit. Robert Millet
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<b><span face=""tahoma" , sans-serif" style="line-height: 115%;"><span style="color: red; font-size: large;">The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son,
and the Holy Ghost. </span></span><span face=""tahoma" , sans-serif" style="color: #333333; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;">"That these three are separate individuals, physically
distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine
dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).<o:p></o:p></span></b><br />
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that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all
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therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue;
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received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him
for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as
Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded;
and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded,
they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit
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which started out as a Trinity concept until 1835, then into a polytheistic
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hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn
wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall
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1 Corinthians 15:29-Baptism for the Dead??</div>
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The Mormon Teaching. In 1 Corinthians 15:29 we read, "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?"</div>
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James E. Talmage says, "These words are unambiguous and the fact that they are presented without explanation or comment argues that the principle of baptism for the dead was understood among the people to whom the letter was addressed." (Talmage p. 149). Indeed, "herein is shown the necessity of vicarious work--the living ministering in behalf of the dead: the children doing for their progenitors what is beyond the power of the latter to do for themselves." (Talmage pp.149-50).</div>
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The Biblical Teaching. Even though evangelical scholars offer different interpretations of what Paul is talking about in 1 Corinthians 15:29, they unanimously agree that the Mormon interpretation is incorrect. </div>
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Scripture clearly states that this life on earth is the only time we have to choose either for or against Christ. Once we die, all opportunities vanish. Hebrews 9:27 telks us. "It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. "</div>
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It is critical to recognize that throughout 1 Corinthians, Paul refers to the Corinthian belivers and himself using first-person pronouns ( we, ye, I ). But when he comes to 1 Corinthians 15:29--the verse dealing with baptism for the dead--Paul switches to the third person ("They"). With that in mind, a plain reading of the text seems to indicate that Paul is referring to people outside the Christian camp in Corinth. And Paul seems to be disassociating himself from the group practicing baptism for the dead.</div>
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Note the words of Charles R. Hield and Russell Ralston: <br />
A careful reading of this epistle shows that the Apostle Paul writes to the Corinthian Saints using the words "I", "we", "ye", "you", when referring to them and/or himself all the way through his message; but when he mentions baptism for the dead, he changes to "they." What shall they do ?" Why are they then baptized for the dead?" In the verses following, he returns to the use of "we", and "you." Thus he seems to disassociate himself and the righteous Saints from the methods used by those groups who at that time were practicing baptism for the dead.</div>
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The Apostle Paul did not urge his hearers to practice the principle, nor did he command it. He merely used the case as an illustration. Paul did not worship the "unknown God" of the pagans because he found an altar to the pagan unknown god (Acts 17:23)....There is no mention of baptism for the dead in the Bible up until Paul---and no mention afterward. <br />
Paul, as well as the other apostles, rather than endorsing baptism for the dead as then practiced, seems to have excercised a counteracting influence upon this ordinance, for it was perpetuated only among heretics.</div>
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The Bible contains no specific authorization of this doctrine. Christ does not mention it, nor do any of the apostles, save Paul; who makes only an indirect reference to it. ( Charles R. Hield and Russell F. Ralston, Baptism for the Dead pp.23-24.)</div>
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Why do you think the Apostle Paul uses first-person pronouns ("we," "ye," "I") throughout 1 Corinthians in reference to the Corinthian believers, but then switches to the third person ("they") in 1 Corinthians 15:29?</div>
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If God desired us to practice baptism for the dead, why is it mentioned only here in the Bible (in the third person) --with no other references? Why aren't there any commands dealing with this kind of baptism?</div>
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Why don't Paul or the other apostles command the practice if it's essential for us ( as the LDS church claims today), and why aren't there any guidelines for conducting this practice?</div>
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Luke 16:19-31, This passage--dealing with the fate of the rich man and Lazarus --is not a story, nor a parable, but a real event Jesus cited in order to make a point: Once the rich man had died and ended up in a place of great suffering, he had no futher opportunity for redemption. Nothing could be done at that point to ease his situation ( Luke 16:24). A baptism for the dead would not have had any effect on this rich man's -- or anyone else's -- situation. </div>
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This emphasizes the importance of Paul's exhortation in 2 Corinthians 6:2: "Now is the day of salvation." There are no opportunities beyond death's door. A person must choose for or against the Christ of the Bible in this life.</div>
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It is also interesting that even through the Book of Mormon is supposed to contain the "fulness of the everlasting gospel," baptism for the dead is not mentioned a single time within its pages. How can our activities for the dead be our "greatest responsibility" if they are not mentioned in the Book of Mormon? It doesn't make sense. </div>
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Please show me a single clear reference in the Book of Mormon that supports baptism for the dead. </div>
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If baptism for the dead is not mentioned in the Book of Mormon, and if baptism for the dead is so important in the Mormon plan of salvation, then how can the Book of Mormon be said to contain the "fullness of the everlasting "?</div>
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I do not believe in the Book of Mormon, so my only objective in bringing up these questions is to give yet another example of the major and irreconcilable contradictions in the Mormon doctrine. </div>
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Along these same lines, there are several verses in the Book of Mormon that say salvation must be obtained in this life. For example: </div>
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Alma 34:31--.."Yea, I would that ye would come forth and harden not your hearts any longer; for behold, now is the time and the day of your salvation....For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God....I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed."</div>
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2 Nephi 9:38---"In fine, wo unto all those who die in their sins; for they shall return to God, and behold his face, and remain in their sins."</div>
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Mosiah 26:25-27--"It shall come to pass that when the second trump shall sound then shall they that never knew me come forth and shall stand before me. And then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, that I am their Redeemer; but they would not be redeemed."</div>
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If baptism for the dead is the only means of salvation for countless numbers of deceased persons---and an essential means of accomplishing "the greatest responsibility we have in this world " ( the redemption of the dead)---why does the Book of Mormon say that the issue of a person's salvation must be determined in this life??<br />
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<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><b><span style="color: blue;">The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.</span></b> For the Christ of whom I speak as been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the matters of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages." (Church News, June 20, 1998, p70) Gordon B Hinckley<br />
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LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie taught that Christians have "a mythical Christ" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269). That means we must decide which faith has the real Christ because somebody clearly has a mythical Christ.<b> <span style="color: blue;">Do these faiths have the same Jesus? No, if you read the LDS Ensign. It says Christian Churches worship a different Jesus</span></b> (May 1977, p.26).<br />
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<div dir="auto" style="background-color: white; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; white-space: pre-wrap;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #2b00fe;">“It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons</span><span style="color: #050505;"> or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”</span></span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; white-space: pre-wrap;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">(Bernard P. Brockbank, LDS Seventy, “The Living Christ”, Ensign (Conference Edition), May 1977, p.26</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; white-space: pre-wrap;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></div><div dir="auto" style="background-color: white; color: #050505; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span class="d2edcug0 hpfvmrgz qv66sw1b c1et5uql lr9zc1uh a8c37x1j keod5gw0 nxhoafnm aigsh9s9 d3f4x2em fe6kdd0r mau55g9w c8b282yb iv3no6db jq4qci2q a3bd9o3v knj5qynh oo9gr5id" dir="auto" lang="en_XX"><b>President Gordon B. Hinckley: “No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of
whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of
whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness
of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy JS in the
year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the
nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages”
(“Crown of Gospel is Upon Our Heads, Church News, June 20, 1998, p. 7)</b></span></div>
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Jesus is <em style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">not</em> the same Jesus as what has been taught for two millennia is something agreed upon by several church leaders. For instance, Seventy Bernard P. Brockbank told a <a data-wpel-link="internal" href="https://www.mrm.org/general-conference" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="background-color: transparent; border: 0px; box-shadow: none; box-sizing: border-box; color: #3a7684; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; transition: all 0.1s ease-in-out 0s, all 0.1s ease-in-out 0s;" target="_blank">general conference</a> audience:</div>
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<span face="" style="font-size: 1.2em; font-style: italic;">It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (“The Living Christ,” </span><em style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: hind, sans-serif; font-size: 1.2em; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Ensign</em><span face="" style="font-size: 1.2em; font-style: italic;"> (Conference Edition), May 1977, p. 26).</span></div>
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Fifteenth President Gordon B. Hinckley agreed with Brockbank:</div>
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In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints “do not believe in the traditional Christ.” “No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages” (“Crown of Gospel is Upon Our Heads, <em style="border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Church News</em>, June 20, 1998, p. 7).</div>
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<span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-size: 15px; font-weight: 700;">Quote from (Collected Discourses Volume 4)</span><br style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px;" /><br style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px;" /><span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; color: #141414; font-size: 15px;">George Q. 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Cannon,</span><br style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px;" /><span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; color: #141414; font-size: 15px;">at the Tabernacle, Salt Lake City,</span><br style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px;" /><span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; color: #141414; font-size: 15px;">Sunday, March 11th, 1894.</span><br style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px;" /><span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; color: #141414; font-size: 15px;">[Reported by Arthur Winter.]</span><br style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px;" /><br style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px;" /><br style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px;" /><span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; color: #141414; font-size: 15px;">America. Many other reformers have tried from time to time to correct these existing evils; but up to the present they have failed. The Icarian society, I believe, took possession of Nauvoo after we were driven out from there. They succeeded for a little while in maintaining the organization, but it eventually fell to pieces. So it has been with all these man-made schemes. How shall these things be corrected? If they are not corrected by God raising up a people they never will be corrected. The Lord is not going to come down in person; He is not going to send His angels from heaven to do the work that we can do. He does not do things in that way; but He inspires His children on the earth. This earth is not always going to be the pandemonium it is today, in some respects. It is not always going to be the hell it is today for millions of human beings who are suffering and toiling and going down to [p.24] the grave in misery, as they are in almost every land. He is not going to allow this to continue; for this fair earth was created for man's abode and happiness. Satan, however, has obtained power over man, and it seems as though he had got possession of this earth, and that it would always remain as it is now. But not so. Men have said, "Why don't the Lord kill the devil?" Well, the devil answers his purpose, in his place. We are here to be tested and tried.</span><span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 15px; font-weight: 700;"><span style="color: #141414;"> </span><span style="color: #2b00fe;">There is a war between Satan and God.</span><span style="color: red;"> <u>We are brethren and sisters of Satan as well as of Jesus</u>.</span><span style="color: #2b00fe;"> It may be startling doctrine to many to say this; but Satan is our brother. Jesus is our brother. We are the children of God. God begot us in the spirit in the eternal worlds. This fight that I speak of arose, as we are told, over the question as to how man should work out his earthly probation in a tabernacle of flesh and bones and obtain redemption. Satan differed from God, and he rebelled. We are told in the scriptures that he drew after him one third of the family of God. They thought his plan better than that of the Savior Jesus Christ. From that time until the present he has been struggling to destroy the plans of Jehovah, and to seduce the children of men—his brothers and sisters—from their allegiance to God.</span></span><span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; color: #141414; font-size: 15px;"> Invisible to mortal eyes, he has exerted tremendous power; and because he has been invisible, men have almost denied his existence. Yet the evidence of his existence and of his power is to be seen on every hand. He is determined, if he can, to destroy the plans of God while we are here in a state of probation. We were faithful to God in our first estate in the presence of God; for we were part of the two-thirds who were loyal to our Father. Then the Father said, "You shall have tabernacles, and I will test you again, because I mean to give all who are faithful exaltation;" and He sent us here to be tempted and tried, to see whether in the exercise of our agency we would be faithful to Him in this condition of darkness —in what may be termed our second estate. If we are faithful and true to God, we shall receive glory, as our Lord and Savior, who is our eider brother, has received and will receive, and we shall be with Him. This fight is going on. Satan is waging it. He has killed every prophet and righteous man he could. He has resorted to lies, and filled the earth with them, by means of which the righteous have been slain from time to time. We who are here today have known something of the result of his lies. We have felt them in our lives. He has circulated slanders about us and filled the earth with misrepresentations of everything that was pure and holy, in order to destroy us. He was the means of slaying the Son of God—the most holy and pure Being that ever came in the flesh; and he has slain prophets since then. Prophets and righteous men in our day have been slain in like manner; and some of us who now live might have been slain if the Lord had not preserved us. Satan has been doing everything of this character purposely to destroy the work of God.</span><br style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px;" />
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Mosiah 15 3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; <b><span style="color: blue;">and the Son, because of the flesh</span></b>; thus becoming the Father and Son—</div>
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<b> </b> For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; <a href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="2"></a><br />
To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; <a href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="3"></a><br />
<b><span style="color: blue;">Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; </span></b>but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.</div>
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<b><span style="color: blue;">I agree with Gordon B Hinkley that the Christ of Mormonism is a different Christ than Traditional Christianity which agrees with the Creeds including the Book of Mormon </span></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: large;"> the apostle Paul warns of "another Jesus whom we have not preached... a different spirit which you have not received... a different gospel which you have not accepted" (2 Cor. 11:4).</span></b> <br />
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<span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-size: 15px; font-weight: 700; margin-top: 0px; text-align: start;">FALSE "REORGANITE" DOCTRINE ABOUT BIRTH OF CHRIST.</span><span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; color: #141414; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;"> "Reorganites" claim that Brigham Young went astray and apostatized because he declared that Jesus Christ was not begotten of the Holy Ghost. "Reorganites claim that he was begotten of the Holy Ghost, and they make the statement that the scriptures so teach. But they do err not understanding the scriptures. </span><span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-size: 15px; font-weight: 700; text-align: start;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; color: #b8312f;"><span style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 18px;">They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge the statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible</span></span></span><span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; color: #141414; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">. It is true there is one passage that states so, but we must consider it in the light of other passages with which it is in conflict</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br style="background-color: #fefefe; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;" /><span face=""Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif" style="background-color: #fefefe; color: #141414; font-size: 15px; text-align: start;">Doctrine of Salvation Vol 1 page 19</span></div>
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spirit child of the Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother and later conceived
physically by the Heavenly Father and an earthly mother: The Ensign, Jan. 1989,
pp.28-29; Come Unto Christ by Ezra Taft Benson, p.4).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Bruce McConkie states: "Christ the Word, the Firstborn,
had of course attained unto the status of Godhood while yet in
pre-existence" (What Mormons Think of Christ, p.36).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Bruce McConkie continues: "He is the Firstborn of the
Father. By obedience and devotion to the truth he attained that pinnacle of
intelligence which ranked him as a God, as the Lord Omnipotent, while yet in
his pre-existent state" (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pg. 129).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Orson Pratt: "God the Father had a plurality of wives,
one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the
spirit of Jesus His First Born" (The Seer, p. 172).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">"Jesus Christ is not the Father of the spirits who have
taken or yet shall take bodies upon this earth, for He is one of them. He is
The Son, as they are sons and daughters of Elohim." (Encyclopedia of
Mormonism, vol.4, Appendix 4).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;"> Mormon leaders teach
that Jesus is our elder brother who progressed to become a god.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Milton R. Hunter: "Jesus became a God and reached His
great state of understanding through consistent effort and continuous obedience
to all the Gospel truths and universal laws" (The Gospel Through the Ages,
p.51).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Bruce McConkie states: "Christ the Word, the Firstborn,
had of course attained unto the status of Godhood while yet in
pre-existence" (What Mormons Think of Christ, p.36).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">Bruce McConkie claimed: "Jesus kept the commandments of
his Father and thereby worked out his own salvation, and also set an example as
to the way and the means whereby all men may be saved" (The Mortal
Messiah, Vol.4, p.434).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">McConkie continues: "He [Jesus] is the Firstborn of the
Father. By obedience and devotion to the truth he attained that pinnacle of
intelligence which ranked him as a God, as the Lord Omnipotent, while yet in
his pre-existent state" (Mormon Doctrine, p. 129).<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span style="color: black;"><b>1 Corinthians 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.</b></span><br />
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<span style="color: black;"><b>2 Corinthians 6:16-17 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.</b></span><br />
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<span style="color: black;"><b>Ephesians 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto a holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for a habitation of God through the Spirit.</b></span><br />
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<br />Matt. 12:50:<br />"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”<br />
<br />Apparently Jesus taught that our relationship as brothers and sisters is predicated upon belief in Him and the Gospel. He obviously saw no familial relationship due to some fantasy pre-mortal existence where all spirits are related by patrilineal descent (with various "mothers" providing the "venue" for new baby spirits). Relationships, according to Jesus, are defined by being born into another family, by becoming sons and daughters of God by faith.<br />
<br />John 1:12:<br />
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<br />Apparently, the Mormon false prophet is more concerned about physical descent than spiritual descent by faith in Christ. And therein lies one of the worst idols that Mormonism has set up: the physical family. Has Nelson read the Gospel of Matthew?:<br />
<br />Matt. 10: 21<br />
<br />"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rise against their parents and have them put to death."<br />
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<span style="border-bottom-color: currentcolor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: currentcolor; border-left-color: currentcolor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-color: currentcolor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: none; border-top-color: currentcolor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: 0px; border-width: 0px; color: purple; font-family: inherit; font-size: 100%; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b>Luke 18: </b>And Peter said, “See, we have left our homes and followed you.” <a href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="33"></a></span><br />
<span style="border-bottom-color: currentcolor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: currentcolor; border-left-color: currentcolor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-color: currentcolor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: none; border-top-color: currentcolor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: 0px; border-width: 0px; color: purple; font-family: inherit; font-size: 100%; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who
has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of
the kingdom of God, <a href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="34"><br />who will not receive many times more in this
time, and in the age to come eternal life.”</a></span></div>
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<b><i></i><u></u><sub></sub><sup></sup><strike></strike><br />Luke 19:29: And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life.<br />
<br />and, Matt. 19:29:</b></span><span style="border-bottom-color: currentcolor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: currentcolor; border-left-color: currentcolor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-color: currentcolor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: none; border-top-color: currentcolor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: 0px; border-width: 0px; color: purple; font-family: inherit; font-size: 100%; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <b style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: currentcolor; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; border-image: none 100% / 1 / 0 stretch; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: none; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: 0px; border-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">"And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life."</b></span><br />
<span style="background-color: #ebf4f9; color: #252c2f; display: inline; float: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: 100%; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> </span> <span style="background-color: #ebf4f9; color: #252c2f; display: inline; float: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: 100%; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> </span><b style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: currentcolor; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; border-image: none 100% / 1 / 0 stretch; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: none; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: 0px; border-width: 0px; color: #252c2f; font-family: inherit; font-size: 100%; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: bold; letter-spacing: normal; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin: 0px; orphans: 2; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="border-bottom-color: currentcolor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: currentcolor; border-left-color: currentcolor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-color: currentcolor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: none; border-top-color: currentcolor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: 0px; border-width: 0px; color: purple; font-family: inherit; font-size: 100%; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">There are many other verses, but these suffice to demonstrate that Jesus certainly had no Mormon attitude toward "families." He certainly never taught that it's "all about families." Neither in the Bible or the BoM is this found as a New Covenant teaching. Family-worship is an idol found in Mormonism, and in the Occult where spirit contacts with deceased family members are desired.....and many Mormons indicate they have communed with dead family members (an outgrowth of Mormon occultism).<br />
<br />The Bible, however, teaches us that Jesus did not recognize physical relationships as binding in any way in heaven, but rather spiritual relationships make us brothers and sisters because of faith in Jesus; furthermore, there is no marriage, or being in a matrimonial state, in the Kingdom of God:<br />
<br />" 29 Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you do not understand the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For after the resurrection there is no marrying or being married, but they live as angels do in heaven. 31 But as to the resurrection of the dead, did you never read what was said to you by God, 3 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?<u style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: currentcolor; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; border-image: none 100% / 1 / 0 stretch; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: none; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: 0px; border-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 100%; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline;"> He is not the God of dead men but of living!"</u> (note here is one of Jesus' clearest teachings on the condition of deceased Christians in the afterlife - they are "living.') Goodspeed<br />
<br />So, Jesus teaches here that humans will be like angels (not become angels), and that marital relationships do not exist as they do here on earth: "There is NO marrying or being married." This is pretty clear and only someone who is illiterate or considers Joe Smith's words as of greater importance than those of the Lord's would ever see in this passage anything to do with "eternal marriage." In Jesus' Kingdom there is no need for marriage vows since we won't be procreating as couples do on earth.<br />
<br />The Spirit Medium, Swedenborg, from whom Joe Smith borrowed his three heavens teaching, also taught that there were martial relationships in heaven. All these teachings, Swedenborg's and Smith's, come from demonic sources. They directly contradict the teachings of Jesus.<br />
<br />Where oh where does the Bible teach that it's "all about the family," as Nelson proclaims? No place in the New Covenant texts. Under the Old Covenant, relationships were reckoned by physical descent from this patriarch or that. Patrilineal descent in Judaism has now been changed to Matrilineal descent to prove one is a Jew. That says something about our decline in morality. However in the New Testament, it is one's spiritual relationship through faith in Christ which determines whether or not we are adopted into the REAL FAMILY, THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS, God's Family, John 1:12:<br />
<br />John 1: " <sup style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: currentcolor; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; border-image: none 100% / 1 / 0 stretch; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: none; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: 0px; border-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: smaller; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super;">11 </sup>He (my note: Jesus) came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. <sup style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: currentcolor; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; border-image: none 100% / 1 / 0 stretch; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: none; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: 0px; border-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: smaller; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super;">12 </sup>Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—<sup style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: currentcolor; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; border-image: none 100% / 1 / 0 stretch; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: none; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: 0px; border-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: smaller; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super;">13 </sup>children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.<br />
<br />Who were "his own" that did not receive Jesus? They were the Jews to whom He was related through the flesh of Mary. The Jews, His own family members DID NOT receive Jesus. Therefore, the Bible teaches that relationship with God depends not on the fleshly relationships, but on the spiritual:<br />
<br />"Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God." And this was not because of natural descent, as the verses explain.<br />
<br />Under the Old Covenant, "natural descent" from one of the 12 Patriarchs was the means to be part of God's "Chosen People." However, under the New Covenant, natural descent is meaningless. It bestows no validity. Under the New Covenant it is FAITH IN JESUS which makes us children of God.<br />
<br />The useless "sealings" of parents to children performed in Mormon temples are simply without any validity, and wasted time. My children won't become Christians because of me, or anyone else. They will be saved by their OWN faith. Jesus, not blood ties, saves a person and places them in God's family. In Christ, there has been a transition from the fleshly to the spiritual, and the Mormons have apparently missed it!<br />
<br />Paul said that a state of singleness was preferable to marriage:<br />
<br />1 Cor. 7:8 "<sup> </sup>Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. "<br />
<br />1 Cor. 7:38 So then he who marries his betrothed <b style="border-bottom-color: currentColor; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: currentcolor; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; border-image: none 100% / 1 / 0 stretch; border-left-color: currentColor; border-left-style: none; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-color: currentColor; border-right-style: none; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: none; border-top-color: currentColor; border-top-style: none; border-top-width: 0px; border-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">does well, and he who refrains from marriage will do even better.<br />
<br />I think this is pretty clear, and directly opposes the Mormon false teaching about eternal marriages.<br />
<br />So, we have two different teachings. One from the Bible, the other from the false cult of Mormonism. Which is true?<br />
<br />Has the central idol of Mormonism, other than Joseph Smith, become "the family?" It's obvious that it has. And this form of idolatry<span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"> is taught neither in the Bible or their Book of Mormon.</span></b></span></b><br />
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“and what does he say upon the subject of Christ and his Apostles, and their belief? He says, <b><span style="color: blue;">"The grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was, because he had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed him." </span></b>After Jesus went kern the stage of action, the Apostles followed the example of their master. … The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were "Mormons."” (Jedediah M Grant, Journal of Discourses Vol. 1, pp. 345-346)</div>
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<b><span style="color: blue;"> “the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion, was a polygamist … the Messiah chose to take upon himself his seed; and by marrying many honorable wives himself, show to all future generations that he approbated the plurality of wives under the Christian dispensation”</span></b> (Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 253)</div>
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“Now, briefly, the reason that the Lord, through the Prophet Joseph, introduced the doctrine of plural marriage, and the reason that the Church ... has never and will never relinquish the doctrine of plural marriage, is simply this: The major purpose of the Church is to help man attain the great eternal destiny suggested in that couplet ... <b><span style="color: blue;">plural marriage is the patriarchal order of marriage lived by God and others who reign in the Celestial Kingdom. </span></b>As well might the Church relinquish its claim to the Priesthood as the doctrine of plural marriage.” (John J. Stewart (1961), Brigham Young and His Wives, p. 41)</div>
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“because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others <b><span style="color: blue;">were his wives, and that he begat children</span></b>.” (Mormon Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses Vol. 2, p. 210)</div>
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<strong><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "quot";"><sup>1 </sup></span><span style="color: black; font-family: "quot";">Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? </span></span></strong><a href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="2" style="color: #cc3300; text-decoration: none;"></a><strong><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "quot";"><sup>2 </sup></span><span style="color: black; font-family: "quot";">For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, </span><span style="color: black; font-family: "quot";"><i>there is</i></span><span style="color: black; font-family: "quot";"> no beauty that we should desire him. </span></span></strong><a href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="3" style="color: #cc3300; text-decoration: none;"></a><strong><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "quot";"><sup>3 </sup></span><span style="color: black; font-family: "quot";">He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were </span><span style="color: black; font-family: "quot";"><i>our</i></span><span style="color: black; font-family: "quot";"> faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.</span></span></strong></div>
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Indeed, they claim that to reach the highest level of celestial glory and progress on into godhood, one <em style="background: transparent; border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">must</em> be part of an eternal marriage to be able to populate a world of your own. The Bible, however, flatly contradicts this teaching and makes it clear that marriage ends at death.</p><p style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: "Noto Sans", Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: left; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">The clearest example of this is found in the words of Jesus Himself. The Sadducees sought to trap <a href="https://carm.org/questions-about-jesus/" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; color: #4e7391; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">Jesus</a> in a logical dilemma related to His teaching on the future resurrection of the dead:</p><p class="style1" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: "Noto Sans", Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: left; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">“Teacher, Moses said, ‘If a man dies having no children, his brother as next of kin shall marry his wife, and raise up children for his brother.’ Now there were seven brothers with us, and the first married and died, and having no children left his wife to his brother; so also the second, and the third, down to the seventh. Last of all, the woman died. In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had married her,” (<a class="rtBibleRef" data-purpose="bible-reference" data-reference="Matt 22.23-28" data-version="nasb95" href="https://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matt%2022.23-28" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; color: #4e7391; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">Matthew 22:23-28</a>).</p><p style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: "Noto Sans", Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: left; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">Jesus answered this challenge in a clear and straightforward manner:</p><p class="style1" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: "Noto Sans", Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: left; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="background: transparent; border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; color: red; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">“You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven,”</span> (<a class="rtBibleRef" data-purpose="bible-reference" data-reference="Matt 22.29-30" data-version="nasb95" href="https://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matt%2022.29-30" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; color: #4e7391; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">Matthew 22:29-30</a>).</p><p style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: "Noto Sans", Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: left; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">According to Jesus, there is no marriage in the kingdom to come. After the resurrection, we will no longer be married. Indeed, Jesus says that asking about marriage in the age to come is rooted in a fundamental misunderstanding of the Scriptures! Some Mormons object that Jesus says that we can’t <em style="background: transparent; border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">get</em> married in the age to come, which implies the need for us to get married eternally now, but that would not be an answer to the Sadducee’s challenge. Their question was specifically about a woman who was biblically married in this life under the proper, God-given priesthood authorities. Jesus’ answer to this specific objection is that the question is meaningless because no one is married after the resurrection nor will they marry again. He further makes it clear that this is the universal teaching of all Scripture and that the Sadducees were wrong because they didn’t understand those Scriptures. Marriage ends at death, and we don’t take it back up in the next life. In fact, the Apostle Paul uses this very fact about marriage to illustrate the beautiful truth of the gospel:</p><p class="style1" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: "Noto Sans", Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: left; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">“For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man. Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God,” (<a class="rtBibleRef" data-purpose="bible-reference" data-reference="Rom 7.2-4" data-version="nasb95" href="https://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Rom%207.2-4" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; color: #4e7391; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">Romans 7:2-4</a>).</p><p style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: "Noto Sans", Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: left; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">The fact that death permanently and irrevocably ends a marriage covenant is used to show how the death of Christ on our behalf breaks to covenantal binding of the old law and allows people to be joined by faith to Christ in the New Covenant. If marriage is not broken at death, the whole analogy breaks down and we are still bound in our sins under the weight of the law! So this is, indeed, no small matter! Marriage is a bond that is broken at death. Far from coming to make our own families our top priority and to cause them to last forever, Jesus actually said:</p><p class="style1" style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: "Noto Sans", Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 1em; text-align: left; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me, and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it,” (<a class="rtBibleRef" data-purpose="bible-reference" data-reference="Matt 10.34-39" data-version="nasb95" href="https://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matt%2010.34-39" style="background: transparent; border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; color: #4e7391; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">Matthew 10:34-39</a>).</p><p style="background: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: "Noto Sans", Helvetica, Arial, Lucida, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; text-align: left; text-size-adjust: 100%; vertical-align: baseline;">The gospel unites us with Christ and His people forever, but it often divides households rather than binding them. That is tragic, but it’s okay. Jesus didn’t come to make our earthly families last forever. 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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">"The only principle upon which they judge me is by
comparing my acts with the foolish traditions of their fathers and nonsensical
teachings of hireling priests, whose object and aim were to keep the people in
ignorance for the sake of<b><span style="color: red; font-size: large;"> filthy lucre</span></b>; or as the prophet says, to feed
themselves, not the flock." </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">"How much tithing do you pay? The professing
Christians, apostates and others have a great deal to say about the Saints
paying tithing. Now let us compare notes. The Elders of this Church travel and
preach without purse or scrip, and labor at home as Bishops, Presidents, High
Counselors, and Ministers, free of charge. Now take the Christians, how many of
their Ministers preach without pay? Go to their meetings, in their churches,
halls, schoolhouses, or any of their public gatherings, and you have a box, a plate,
or a hat put under your face, and it is, 'Give me a sixpence, give me a
sixpence, give me a sixpence!' Show me the Elder of this Church that does this?
<span style="color: #cc0000; font-size: large;"><b>We preach the Gospel without purse or scrip and work for our own bread and
butter.</b></span> Yet the Christian world whine about our paying tithing. The Saints
should pay the tenth of their income with glad and thankful hearts, and help to
bring home the poor. We have supported and helped the poor to the amount of
millions." </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">“While all this has been done for our country, and we have
comparatively tamed the savage and held in check his wild and blood-thirsty
nature, that the inhabitants of the world could travel across the deserts
without being robbed and murdered, we have been the subject of vile scandal,
simply because our religious views were different from those of the hireling
clergy who occupy the pulpits of Christendom.<b><span style="color: #cc0000; font-size: large;"> We taught that men should preach
the Gospel without pure or scrip--preach it freely; and a man who depended upon
a congregation for a salary</span></b> by which to obtain his black coat and fit-out, was
ready to denounce preaching without purse and scrip as a heresy; why? Because
it would reduce him to the necessity of going to some useful calling, instead
of making merchandise of the Gospel, which God has made free." </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">- Prophet George Albert Smith, Journal of Discourses, v. 11,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p>In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints there is
no paid ministry, no professional clergy, as is common in other churches. More
significant even than this is that there is no laity, no lay membership as
such; men are eligible to hold the priesthood and to carry on the ministry of
the Church, and both men and women serve in many auxiliary capacities. This
responsibility comes to men whether they are rich or poor, and with this
responsibility also comes the authority. There are many who would deny, and
others who would disregard it; nevertheless, the measure of that authority does
not depend on whether men sustain that authority, but rather depends on whether
God will recognize and honor that authority.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p></span></div><div style="margin: 0px 0px 10.66px;"><span style="font-family: "calibri";"><br /></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">"A few weeks ago a lady physician came to our office,
...She said, ‘Will you be kind enough to have an interview with one of our
ministers and tell him how he can work along these lines.' I remarked to her
that I would willingly do so, but that I was afraid he could not live to it or
teach it to his congregation. Why? she asked. My answer was, ‘He requires a
salary to preach the Gospel. Whenever he arises to preach to his congregation
and says that which they do not like, they say that he will have to stop
preaching that way or they will stop his salary.' ‘Now,' said I, ‘when I preach
to the people, I do not care whose toes I tread on; I do not care who I strike;
I teach the truth, and no matter where it hits they cannot come to me and say,
<b><span style="color: #cc0000; font-size: large;">"We'll stop your salary" because I haven't any to stop. That is the
difference between your minister and me.'</span></b> That is one great difference between
the ministers of the world, who are professing to preach the Gospel unto the
people, and the Elders of the Lord Jesus Christ. I would sooner be a humble
Elder preaching the Gospel unto the people, bearing testimony that Jesus is the
Christ and that Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, than to be the
greatest‘divine'upon the face of the earth." </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">"Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of
double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For the
scripture saith, </span><span style="background-color: white; color: blue; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: large;"><b>Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And,
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<b style="color: #cc0000; font-family: calibri; font-size: x-large;">"What of the Mormon clergy? ...There is no paid or
professional ministry. Thirty-nine general officers and the presidents of
missions are given living allowances."</b><br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">"Because the Church has no professional clergy, it is
administered at every level through LAY PARTICIPATION AND LEADERSHIP, and
officials other than the General Authorities contribute their time and talents
without remuneration. ..</span><span style="color: #cc0000; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: large;"><b>.Because the General Authorities are obliged to leave
their regular employment for full-time Church service, they receive a modest
living allowance provided from income on Church investments."</b></span><br />
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regular remunerative position,...The family involved gives of its time and
energies without salary, though there is a modest allowance for living
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">"It can be said also that the officers of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who labor without salaries coming out of the
pockets of the members, are just as spiritually minded, have just as good
judgment and wisdom in directing the temporal as well as the spiritual welfare
of the people, as are any of the ministers who spend their entire time in what
may be called spiritual counsel. <b><span style="color: #cc0000; font-size: large;">For instance, the bishops of our wards and the
presidents of our stakes and other officers give their time freely without any
monetary compensation paid by members of the Church.</span></b> It is equally true that
the young men and women who are distributed over the face of the earth as
missionaries of the Church pay their own way, or their parents do. <b><span style="color: #cc0000; font-size: large;">We do not
have a paid ministry,</span></b> yet these brethren put in as much time in spiritual and
Church duties, as do ministers of other denominations who devote their entire
time, and in addition, they are under the necessity of earning their own living
by their daily employment in industry. They do this because they have an
abiding testimony of the divinity of the work the Church requires of them.”</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said:</span><span style="color: red; font-family: "calibri";"><b> “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”</b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">"I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages <b><span style="color: red;">and three Gods</span></b>," (Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">The Godhead consists of the three distinct personages <b><span style="color: red;">and three gods</span></b>.. The Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Father and Son have bodies of flesh and bones, while the Holy Spirit is a personage of spirit. Robert Millet A Different Jesus page 198</span></div>
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<span style="color: red; font-family: "calibri";"><b>The trinity is three separate Gods:</b></span><span style="font-family: "calibri";"> The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">32 According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God <b><span style="color: red;">of all other gods</span></b> before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">20 Then shall<b><span style="color: red;"> they be gods</span></b>, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them.<b><span style="color: red;"> Then shall they be gods</span></b>, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.</span></div>
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<span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-size: small; text-align: start;">- the existence of many gods;</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-size: small; text-align: start;">- that works are required for salvation;</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-size: small; text-align: start;">- that men may "become" gods;</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; 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font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-size: small; text-align: start;">- that immature single boys living with their mommy can be "deacons" and "elders";</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-size: small; text-align: start;">- that "prophets" still exist;</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-size: small; text-align: start;">- that "priests" are Christian;</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-size: small; text-align: start;">- that "temple work" must still be done.</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-size: small; text-align: start;">- that dead people can be vicariously "baptized".</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-size: small; text-align: start;">- that baptism is required for salvation;</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-size: small; text-align: start;">- that hell doesn't exist;</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-size: small; text-align: start;">- that the Bible has been "not translated correctly".</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: small; text-align: start;" /><span face="sans-serif" style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-size: small; text-align: start;">- that the Bible has had "many plain and precious parts removed".</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; 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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">What’s interesting The Book of Mormon teaches the opposite about the Godhead, rather than three gods and a plurality of gods it teaches only ONE GOD in the Godhead. Even the President of Mormonism commented that the paramount and fullness of the Gospel found in the Book of Mormonism is the ONE GOD of the Trinity.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. <b><span style="color: red;">We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead, and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, </span></b>and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." well what is the fulnesspel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, section 76, in the Doctrine and Covanants, and you find there defined what the gospel is,<b><span style="color: blue;"> There God the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three persons in the Trinity-the one God the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God</span></b>. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principals, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason:</span></div>
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<b>Why do we say that the Book of Mormon contains “the fulness of the gospel” (D&C 20:9) when it doesn’t contain some of the basic teachings of the Church? Why doesn’t it include such doctrines as the three degrees of glory, marriage for eternity, premortal existence of spirits, and baptism for the dead?</b></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold,</span><span style="color: blue; font-family: "calibri";"><b> this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God,</b></span><span style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: "calibri";"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "calibri";">without end. Amen.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of<b> <span style="color: blue;">Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God,</span></b></span><span style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: "calibri";"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "calibri";">to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, <b><span style="color: blue;">unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God</span></b>,</span><span style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: "calibri";"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "calibri";">in a state of happiness which hath no end.</span></div>
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<span style="color: blue; font-family: "calibri";"><b>And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God</b></span><span style="font-family: "calibri";">.</span><span style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: "calibri";"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "calibri";">Amen.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for<b><span style="color: blue;"> there is one God</span></b> and one Shepherd over all the earth.</span></div>
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font-size: large;">The Book of Mormon teaches against today’s Mormon doctrine; for example:</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;">Polygamy: Jacob 1:15, 2:22-27; 3:5; Mosiah 11:2; Ether 10:5; (polygamy is not practiced by the mainstream Church today, but it remains as a doctrine of the Church; see D&C 132.)</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;">Eternal progression: (God could not have progressed from man to God): Alma 41:8, 3 Ne. 24:6; Mormon 9:9, 10, 19; Moroni 8:18, 23.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;">Secret combinations or oaths (in temples): Mormon 8:27; 2 Ne. 9:9; 2 Ne. 26:22; Alma 34:36; 37:23, 31.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;">God created the heaven and the earth by His word: Mormon 9:17; Jacob 4:9.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;">That there is only one God: Mosiah 7:27; 13:34; 15:1-5; 16:15; Alma 11:26-33, 38, 39, 44;</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;"><br /></span></b></div></div><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q" style="background-color: white; font-family: "Segoe UI Historic", "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0.5em 0px 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; text-align: left; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;">No work for the dead: Alma 37:32-33.</span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;"><br /></span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #2b00fe; font-size: large;"><br /></span></b></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family: inherit;"><p style="background-color: #bcc5c1; border: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px 0px 1.8em; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: normal;"> the Book of Mormon teaches <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restorationism#Groups_arising_during_the_Second_Great_Awakening" rel="noopener" style="border: 0px; color: #b85b5a; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">19th Century American Restorationism</a> in a way that’s generally aligned with historic mainstream Protestant Christian orthodoxy. For example:</p><ul style="background-color: #bcc5c1; border: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 10px; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: normal;"><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon teaches that Jesus is Eternal God. And as such, Christ was neither created nor procreated.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon says that God is eternal and unchanging.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon states that God is a Spirit.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon states plainly that there is only one God.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon states plainly that the One God consists of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – that is, the Book of Mormon teaches the doctrine of the <a href="http://blog.mrm.org/2011/06/what-happened-to-the-trinity-in-mormonism/" rel="noopener" style="border: 0px; color: #cc0000; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">Trinity</a> (albeit with a <em style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">strong</em> <a href="http://mit.irr.org/joseph-smiths-modalism-sabellian-sequentialism-or-swedenborgian-expansionism" rel="noopener" style="border: 0px; color: #cc0000; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">modalistic</a> skew).</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon states that God created via nothing but His word – that is, <a href="http://www.christianapologeticsalliance.com/2013/12/09/creation-ex-materia/" rel="noopener" style="border: 0px; color: #cc0000; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">“ex-nihilo”</a> (out of nothing).</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon condemns Polygamy.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon states that there is <em style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">only</em> heaven and hell.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon denounces <a href="http://signaturebookslibrary.org/?p=10117" rel="noopener" style="border: 0px; color: #cc0000; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">universalism</a> as a “false doctrine”.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon repeatedly condemns the type of secret oaths and combinations that are found in the current Latter-day Saint Temple Endowment ceremony in the strongest terms.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon denies that there is a second chance to repent and receive the gospel in the next life.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon states that baptism isn’t an absolute requirement for salvation.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon states that man was created by the power of God’s word not procreated by spirit parents.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon makes a clear distinction between men and angels.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon states clearly that Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of the world on the cross.</span></b></li><li style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 7px 0px 8px 10px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">The Book of Mormon discredits key points of the First Vision.</span></b></li></ul><p style="background-color: #bcc5c1; border: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0px 0px 1.8em; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: normal;"><b><span style="font-size: medium;">So if you strip away the baggage of Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon origin story you’re left with a piece of Christian literature that’s more akin to a <em style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">really</em> bad version of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pilgrim's_Progress" rel="noopener" style="border: 0px; color: #b85b5a; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">“Pilgrim’s Progress”</a> or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Screwtape_Letters" rel="noopener" style="border: 0px; color: #b85b5a; font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-decoration-line: none; vertical-align: baseline;" target="_blank">“The Screwtape Letters”</a> than <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianetics" rel="noopener" style="border: 0px; 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John 8: 56 - Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou <span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b>seen Abraham</b></span></span>? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, <span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b>Before Abraham was, I am</b></span></span>.</div>
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Genesis 14:18 - And Melchizedek <span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b>king of Salem </b></span></span>brought forth <span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b><u>bread and wine</u></b></span></span>: and he was <u><span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b>the priest of the most high God</b></span></span>.</u> 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.<br />
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Psalm 110:4 -The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent,<span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b> Thou art a priest </b></span></span>for ever after the order of Melchizedek.<br />
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Zechariah 6: 13 - Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a<span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b> priest </b></span></span>upon his <span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b>throne</b></span></span>: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.<br />
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Isaiah 9:6- For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The <span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b>Prince of Peace</b></span></span>. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.<br />
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Hebrews 7:1- For this Melchizedek, <span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b><u>king</u> of Salem</b></span></span>,<span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b><u> priest </u>of the most high God</b></span></span>, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also <span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b>King of Salem</b></span></span>, which is, <span style="font-family: "verdana";"><span style="color: blue;"><b>King of peace</b></span></span>; 3 <span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"><b><u>Without father, without mother, </u>without descent, having <u>neither beginning of days, nor end of life;</u></b></span> but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.<br />
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<span face=""tahoma" , sans-serif" style="color: #3e3e3e; font-size: 10pt; margin: 0px;">It is claimed by the Mormon leaders that before the church was
organized Peter, James, and John restored the Melchizedek Priesthood. Apostle
LeGrand Richards admits that the exact date of this ordination is not known:
"While we are a record-keeping people, as the Lord commanded, nevertheless
our records are not complete.... we do not have the date that Peter, James and
John conferred the Melchizedek Priesthood upon them" (Letter from LeGrand
Richards, dated September 26, 1960). <br />
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"In the History of the Church, no account is given of the date when the
Melchizedek Priesthood was restored." Doctrines of Salvation Vol. 3 page
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The Doctrine and Covenants 27:12<br />
is cited as proof that the Melchizedek Priesthood was conferred at a very early
date: "And also with Peter, and James, and John, whom I have sent unto
you, by whom I have ordained you and confirmed you to be apostles .... "<br />
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This verse, however, did not appear in the revelation when it was published in
the Book of Commandments in 1833. It was added into the Doctrine and Covenants,
and therefore cannot be cited as proof that the Melchizedek Priesthood was in
the church at the time the revelation was given<br />
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<span style="margin: 0px;"><span face=""tahoma" , sans-serif" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="color: #3b5998;">Visitations of John the Baptist and
Peter, James, and John conferring the priesthood apparently were not known in
the church until sometime after 1834. If restoration of priesthood was such a
significant event, wouldn’t Joseph have mentioned it earlier? “I never heard
that an Angel had ordained Joseph and Oliver to the Aaronic Priesthood until
the year 1834, 5, or 6—in Ohio… I do not believe that John the Baptist ever
ordained Joseph and Oliver…” – David Whitmer (Early Mormon Documents, 5:137).
“I joined the church in 1831. For years I never heard of John the Baptist
ordaining Joseph and Oliver. I heard not of James, Peter, and John doing so… I
never heard of it in the church for years…” – William McLellin (An Insider’s
View of Mormon Origins, pp.224-25). The revelation referring to the Aaronic
restoration is missing from the Book of Commandments, as well as from the
original church history as published in The Evening and Morning Star (edition
dated March 1833, p.6). The only known manuscript copy of the revelation makes
no reference to the LDS priesthoods either (Origins of Power, p.16). </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="margin: 0px;"><span face=""tahoma" , sans-serif" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="color: #3b5998;">The account of the Melchizedek
restoration is entirely missing. B.H. Roberts writes that “there is no definite
account of the event in the history of the Prophet Joseph, or, for matter of
that, in any of our annals…” (History of the Church, 1:40fn). </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="margin: 0px;"><span face=""tahoma" , sans-serif" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="color: #3b5998;">The information that is available about
the Melchizedek restoration creates a problem. Many LDS scholars who have
studied the event place the ordination within a few weeks of the Aaronic
priesthood ordination date, which was in May 1829 (Encyclopedia of Mormonism,
2:885-86). There is a brief mention of the event in Oliver B. Huntington’s
journal, which places the Melchizedek ordination on a night after Joseph and
Oliver had been on trial in Colesville, New York (Journal of Oliver B.
Huntington, 13 January 1881). Joseph Smith dated this incarceration in
mid-to-late June of 1830 (History of the Church 1:84-85, 92-94). Wesley Walters
located the court bill for this trial, which was dated “July 1st 1830” (Joseph
Smith’s Bainbridge, N.Y., Court Trials, p.125). That date is several weeks
after the Church was organized. But LDS sources are emphatic that Smith could
not have legally organized the Church unless he had received the Melchizedek
priesthood first. At the time of church organization, Joseph Smith gave himself
the title of FIRST ELDER of the church. That creates an irreconcilable problem
for the LDS claim of authority. </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="margin: 0px;"><span face=""tahoma" , sans-serif" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="color: #3b5998;">The first mention of Melchizedek
Priesthood in the scriptures of the church is Doctrine and Covenants 68, which
was recorded in November 1831. Verse 15 says, “Wherefore they shall be high
priests who are worthy, and they shall be appointed by the First Presidency of
the Melchizedek Priesthood, except they be literal descendants of Aaron.”
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">one God</span></b> and one Shepherd over all the earth. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">but there is no God beside me,</span></b> and all things are present with me, for I know them all. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels <b><span style="color: red; font-size: large;">but are gods</span></b>. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 4 And they (<b><span style="color: red; font-size: large;">the Gods</span></b>) comprehended the light, for it was bright; and they divided the light, or caused it to be divided, from the darkness. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 5 And<b><span style="color: red; font-size: large;"> the Gods</span></b> called the light Day, and the darkness they called Night. And it came to pass that from the evening until morning they called night; and from the morning until the evening they called day; and this was the first, or the beginning, of that which they called day and night. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 7 And<b><span style="color: red; font-size: large;"> the Gods</span></b> ordered the expanse, so that it divided the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so, even as they ordered. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 8 And <b><span style="color: red; font-size: large;">the Gods</span></b> called the expanse, Heaven. And it came to pass that it was from evening until morning that they called night; and it came to pass that it was from morning until evening that they called day; and this was the second time that they called night and day. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> See ADAM-GOD THEORY, Christ, FALSE GODS, FATHER IN HEAVEN, GODHEAD, GODHOOD, HOLY GHOST, POLYTHEISM. Three separate personages — Father, Son, and Holy Ghost — comprise the Godhead. <b><span style="color: red; font-size: large;">As each of these persons is a God, it is evident, from this standpoint alone, that a plurality of Gods exists. To us, speaking in the proper finite sense, these three are the only Gods we worship.</span></b> But in addition there is an infinite number of holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods. " page 576-577 Mormon Doctrine</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">Now, it is no secret that many false and vain and foolish things are being taught in the sectarian world and even among us about our need to gain a special relationship with the Lord Jesus. I shall summarize the true doctrine in this field and invite erring teachers and beguiled students to repent and believe the accepted gospel verities as I shall set them forth. </span></div>
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<span style="color: red; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: large;"><b>We worship the Father and him only and no one else.</b></span><span style="font-family: "calibri";"> </span><span style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: "calibri";"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "calibri";">We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost. I know perfectly well what the scriptures say about worshipping Christ and Jehovah, but they are speaking in an entirely different sense--the sense of standing in awe and being reverentially grateful to him who has redeemed us. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> "See ATHEISM, DEISM, GOD, HENOTHEISM, PLURALITY OF GODS, POLYTHEISM THEISM. <b><span style="color: red; font-size: large;">Monotheism is the doctrine or belief that there is but one God. If this is properly interpreted to mean that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost — each of whom is a separate and distinct godly personage — are one God, meaning one Godhead, then true saints are monotheists</span></b>. Professing Christians consider themselves monotheists as distinguished from polytheists, those pagan peoples who believe in a host of gods whose powers are exercised only in their own fields. " Page 511 Mormon Doctrine, McConkie </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> See ATHEISM, DEISM, GOD, MONOTHEISM, POLYTHEISM, THEISM. Henotheism is the belief in and worship of one God without at the same time denying that others can with equal truth worship different gods. It is falsely taught in the sectarian world that Abraham, for instance, was a henotheist that is, that he worshiped the Almighty, but that at the same time he considered that other nations could worship their own gods with equally beneficial results. <b><span style="color: red; font-size: large;">This apostate view is erroneously considered to be one step advanced from polytheism and one step behind the final type of monotheism that was in process of evolving.</span></b> " page 351-352 Mormon Doctrine McConkie</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> See APOSTASY, ATHEISM, DEISM, FALSE GODS, GOD, HENOTHEISM, MONOTHEISM, PLURALITY OF GODS, THEISM. Primitive and pagan peoples often believe in and worship many supposed gods. They imagine that there are gods of birth, marriage, and death, of war and peace, of the mountains, forests, and plains, and so forth. </span></div>
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<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />2. God is a Spirit Book of Mormon Alma 18:26-28, Alma 22:8-11God Has a Body Doctrine and Covenants, Section 130:22<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />3. God Dwells in Heart Book of Mormon Alma 34:36 God Does Not Dwell in Heart D&C Section 130:3<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />4. Creation - One God Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 2:14, Jacob 4:9, Pearl of Great Price Book of Moses Chapter 2 Creation - Plural Gods Pearl of Great Price, Book of Abraham 4&5<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />5. God Cannot Lie Book of Mormon Ether 3:12, 2 Nephi 9:34<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />God Commands Lying Pearl of Great Price Book of Abraham Chapter 2:22-25<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />6. God's Word Unchangeable Book of Mormon Alma 41:8 God's Word Can Change Doctrine and Covenants Section 56:4-5<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />7. No Pre-Existence of Man Book of Mormon, Alma 18:28, 34-36,<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />Man Pre-Existed Doctrine and Covenants Section 93:23, 29-33, PGP Book of Abraham Chapter 3:18, 21-23<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />8. Death Seals Man's Fate Book of Mormon Mosiah 2:36-39, Alma 34:32-35<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />Chance after Death Doctrine and Covenants Section 76:106-112 Section 88:99<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />9. Heathen Saved Without Baptism Book of Mormon Moroni 8:22-23, 2 Nephi 9:25-26, Mosiah 15:24-27 Baptism for Dead Doctrine and Covenants Section 128:5, 17-18<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />10. Heaven or Hell Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 28:22, 1 Nephi 15:35, Alma 41:4-8, Alma 42:16 Three Kingdoms in Heaven - Most Saved Doctrine and Covenants Section 76:43, 70-112<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />11. Murder Can Be Forgiven Book of Mormon, 3 Nephi 30:2 No Forgiveness For Murder Doctrine and Covenants Section 42:18<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />12. Polygamy Condemned Book of Mormon Jacob 1:15, Jacob 2:24, Jacob 3:5, Mosia11:2<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />Polygamy Commanded Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:1, 37-39, 61<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />13. Against Paid Ministry Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 26:31, Mosiah 27:5 For Paid Ministry Doctrine and Covenants Section 42:71-73, Section 43:12-13, Section 51:13-14<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />14. Corrupt Churches Promise Forgiveness For Money Book of Mormon, Mormon 8:32 Church Members Who Tithe Will Not Burn, Doctrine and Covenants, Section 64:23<br style="font-family: sans-serif;" />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> <br />2 Nephi 31:<br />
<br />21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and <b><span style="color: #2e75b6; font-family: "arial black" , sans-serif; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;">the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is <u>one God</u>,</span></b> without end. Amen.<br />
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<br />Alma 11:<br />
<br />44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned <b><span style="color: #2e75b6; font-family: "arial black" , sans-serif; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;">before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is <u>one Eternal God</u>,</span></b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.<br />
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<br />Mormon 7:<br />
<br />7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, <b><span style="color: #2e75b6; font-family: "arial black" , sans-serif; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;">unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are <u>one God</u>, </span></b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>in a state of happiness which hath no end.<br />
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<br />The Testimony of Three Witnesses<br />
<br />And the <b><span style="color: #2e75b6; font-family: "arial black" , sans-serif; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;">honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is <u>one God</u>.</span></b><span style="color: #2e75b6; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span>Amen.<br />
<br />Oliver Cowdery<br />
<br />David Whitmer<br />
<br />Martin Harris<br />
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<br />1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; <b><span style="color: #2e75b6; font-family: "arial black" , sans-serif; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;">for there is <u>one God</u></span></b><span style="color: #2e75b6; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;"> </span>and one Shepherd over all the earth.<br />
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<br />Doctrine and Covenants 20:<br />
<br />28 <b><span style="color: #2e75b6; font-family: "arial black" , sans-serif; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;">Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are <u>one God</u>,</span><span style="color: #2e75b6; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;"> i</span></b><b><span style="color: #2e75b6; font-family: "arial black" , sans-serif; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;">nfinite</span></b><b><span style="font-family: "arial black" , sans-serif;"> </span></b>and eternal, without end. Amen.<br />
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<br />1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven: <b><span style="color: #2e75b6; font-family: "arial black" , sans-serif; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;">The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are <u>one.</u></span></b><span style="color: #2e75b6; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Joseph Smith translation<br />
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<br />Moses 1:6<br />
<br />6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; <b><span style="color: #2e75b6; font-family: "arial black" , sans-serif; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;">but there is no God beside me</span></b>, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.<br />
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<br />COUNSEL GIVEN BY PRESIDENT CHARLES W. PENROSE<br />
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<br />Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." Well, what is the fulness of the gospel? You read carefully the revelation regarding the three glories, Section 76, in the Doctrine and Covenants, and you find there defined what the gospel is. <b><span style="color: #2e75b6; font-family: "arial black" , sans-serif; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;">There God, the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his Son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three Persons in the Trinity—the one God, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being <u>one God</u>.</span></b><span style="color: #2e75b6; mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha: 100.0%; mso-style-textfill-fill-color: #2E75B6; mso-style-textfill-fill-colortransforms: lumm=75000; mso-style-textfill-fill-themecolor: accent5; mso-themecolor: accent5; mso-themeshade: 191;"> </span>When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principles, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason: If you really believe so as to have faith in our Eternal Father and in his Son, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer, and will hear him, you will learn ail about what is needed to be done for the salvation of the living and redemption of the dead.<br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> </span><b></b><i></i><u></u><sub></sub><sup></sup><strike></strike>creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-8194086905022356282016-05-20T10:04:00.002-07:002021-10-16T22:16:10.517-07:00Mormon gods were fallen, exalted, and saved finite men<br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">Mormons teach there god was a <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">fallen, exalted, saved, finite
man </span></b>like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">"The Gods who dwell in the Heaven...have been redeemed
from the grave in a world which existed before the foundations of this earth
were laid. They and the Heavenly body which they now inhabit were once in a
<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">fallen state</span></b>....they were exalted also, from fallen men to Celestial Gods to
inhabit their Heaven forever and ever." (Apostle Orson Pratt in The Seer,
page 23)</span></div>
<span style="font-family: "calibri";">Would you think
fallen means sinner ?</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">In the 1844 LDS publication, Times and Seasons, volume 5,
pages 613-614,... Joseph Smith reiterated that God was an<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"> exalted man</span></b> and that
Mormon men could also become Gods. This teaching is well documented, as is
their claim that God is not a spirit being, but that he has a body of flesh and
bone.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> “God is a perfected,<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">
saved soul</span></b> enjoying eternal life.” (Second Counselor in the First Presidency,
Marion G. Romney, as per Salt Lake Tribune, April 3, 1977.)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> It appears ridiculous
to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once
been a <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">finite being</span></b>; and yet we are not in such close communion with him as
many have supposed. He has passed on, and is exalted far beyond what we can now
comprehend. Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 33</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="background-color: whitesmoke; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Spencer W. Kimball said humans are gods in </span><span style="background-color: whitesmoke; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-weight: 700;">embryo</span><span style="background-color: whitesmoke; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">.</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="font-family: "calibri";"><br style="background-color: whitesmoke; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: whitesmoke; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">However godhood has to be earned:</span><br style="background-color: whitesmoke; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><br style="background-color: whitesmoke; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: whitesmoke; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">“The demands of justice for broken law can be satisfied through mercy, </span><span style="background-color: whitesmoke; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-weight: 700;">earned </span><span style="background-color: whitesmoke; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">by your continual repentance and obedience to the laws of God. Such repentance and obedience are absolutely essential for the Atonement to work its complete miracle in your life.”</span><br style="background-color: whitesmoke; box-sizing: border-box; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" /><span style="background-color: whitesmoke; color: #141414; font-family: "Segoe UI", "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Fira Sans", "Droid Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Mormon Apostle Richard G. Scott, “The Atonement Can Secure Your Peace and Happiness,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 2006, p.42</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">37 <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">Abraham </span></b>received concubines, and they bore him children;
and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto
him, and he abode in my law; as<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"> Isaac also</span></b> and <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">Jacob</span></b> did none other things than
that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than
that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation,
according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">are not angels but <u>are
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If Mormon searched the Bible they would find 28 scriptures that teach only ONE GOD exists and even there faux scripture book "The Book of Mormon" and "Book of Moses" teaches only ONE GOD exists <br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou
mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know
therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in
heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one
LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered
understood this text.]</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and
there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither
is there any that can deliver out of my hand.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for
there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all
that we have heard with our ears.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know
that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and
all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I
know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I
pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">7. 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and
said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the
God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven
and earth.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">8. 1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee,
neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with
our ears.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has
made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all
things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest
them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">10. Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a
rock save our God?</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">11. Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous
things: thou art God alone.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">12. Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that
dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the
kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O
LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may
know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">13. Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD,
and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and
understand that I am he:before me there was no God formed, neither shall there
be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">14. Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel,
and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and
beside me there is no God.Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee
from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God
beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let
them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath
told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside
me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am
God, and there is none like me.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of
Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">18. Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of
Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall
never be ashamed.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">19. Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the
earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">20. Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all
the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou
shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with
all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the
second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is
none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well,
Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other
but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and
with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as
himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus
saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the
kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might
know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">22. Romans 3:30 — Seeing it is one God, which shall justify
the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating
of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol
is nothing in the world, andthat there is none other God but one. For though
there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods
many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all
things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and
we by him.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">25. Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above
all, and through all, and in you all.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal,
invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">27. 1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou
doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"><b>41 And they must come according to the words which shall be
established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made
known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve
apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for
<span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">there is one God</span> and one Shepherd over all the earth</b>.</span></div>
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<span face=""tahoma" , "sans-serif"" style="color: #333333; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;"><b>6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the
similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the
Savior, for he is full of grace and truth;</b> <span face=""arial" , "helvetica" , sans-serif" style="color: blue; font-size: large;"><b>but there is no God beside me</b></span><b>, and
all things are present with me, for I know them all.</b></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"><a href="http://mit.irr.org/28-biblical-passages-which-explicitly-teach-there-only-one-god">http://mit.irr.org/28-biblical-passages-which-explicitly-teach-there-only-one-god</a></span><br />
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<span style="color: blue; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: large;"><b>Mormons like to use the Bible as a proof text for multiply gods even thou there is a propensity of text above that teach one God, here is one example, that even there faux Apostle teaches it is out of context. </b></span><br />
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<span style="color: blue; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: large;"><span style="color: black; font-size: small;">James Talmage, a Mormon Apostle, said Psalm 82:6 is not
about becoming gods.</span></span></div>
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<span style="color: blue; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="margin: 0px;"> </span>"In Psalm 82:6,
judges invested by divine appointment are called 'gods.'<span style="margin: 0px;"> </span>To this scripture the Savior referred in His
reply to the Jews in Solomon's Porch.<span style="margin: 0px;">
</span>Judges so authorized officiated as the representatives of God and are
honored by the exalted title 'gods.'<span style="margin: 0px;">
</span>Compare the similar appellation applied to Moses (Exo. 4:16; 7:1).<span style="margin: 0px;"> </span>Jesus Christ possessed divine authorization,
not through the word of God transmitted to Him by man, but as an inherent
attribute.<span style="margin: 0px;"> </span>The inconsistency of calling
human judges 'gods,' and of ascribing blasphemy to the Christ who called Himself
the Son of God, would have been apparent to the Jews but for their sin-darkened
minds."<span style="margin: 0px;"> </span>(James Talmage, Jesus the
Christ, p. 501). -- Mormons often quote Psalm 82:6 which Jesus quoted in John
10:30-34 to show that we can become gods.<span style="margin: 0px;">
</span>Rather than them believing the truth from a Christian, perhaps they will
believe it from their own apostle.</span></span></span></div>
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<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">Lying is intentionally deceiving others</span></b>. Bearing false witness is one form of lying. The Lord gave this commandment to the children of Israel: “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour” (<a class="scriptureRef" href="https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/ex/20.16?lang=eng#15">Exodus 20:16</a>). Jesus also taught this when He was on earth (see <a class="scriptureRef" href="https://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/matt/19.18?lang=eng#17">Matthew 19:18</a>). There are many other forms of lying. When we speak untruths, we are guilty of lying.<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"> We can also intentionally deceive others by a gesture or a look, by silence, or by telling only part of the truth.</span></b> Whenever we lead people in any way to believe something that is not true, we are not being honest.</div>
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The Lord is not pleased with such dishonesty, and we will have to account for our lies. Satan would have us believe it is all right to lie. He says, “Yea, lie a little; … there is no harm in this” (<a class="scriptureRef" href="https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/28.8?lang=eng#7">2 Nephi 28:8</a>). Satan encourages us to justify our lies to ourselves. Honest people will recognize Satan’s temptations and will speak the whole truth, even if it seems to be to their disadvantage.<br />
Gospel Principles lesson 31- Official Mormon publication</div>
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<span class="verse">21 </span>And I, Abraham, journeyed, going on still towards the south; and there was a continuation of a famine in the land; and I, Abraham, concluded to go down into Egypt, to sojourn there, for the famine became very grievous.</div>
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<a class="bookmark-anchor dontHighlight" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="22"> </a><span class="verse">22 </span>And it came to pass when I was come near to enter into Egypt, <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">the Lord said unto me</span></b>: Behold, Sarai, thy wife, is a very fair woman to look upon;</div>
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<a class="bookmark-anchor dontHighlight" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="23"> </a><span class="verse">23 </span>Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see her, they will say—She is his wife; and they will kill you, but they will save her alive; therefore see that ye do on this wise:</div>
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<a class="bookmark-anchor dontHighlight" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="24"> </a><span class="verse">24 </span>Let her say unto the Egyptians, <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">she is thy sister, and thy soul shall live.</span></b></div>
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<a class="bookmark-anchor dontHighlight" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="25"> </a><span class="verse">25 </span>And it came to pass that I, Abraham, told Sarai, my wife, all <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">that the Lord had said unto me</span></b>—Therefore say unto them, I pray thee, thou art my sister, that it may be well with me for thy sake, and my soul shall live because of thee.<br />
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Gordon B. Hinckley, Time Magazine, interview, August, 1997<br />
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Question: ... about that, God the Father was once a man as we were. This is something that Christian writers are always addressing. Is this the teaching of the church today, that God the Father was once a man like we are?<br />
Hinckley: I don’t know that we teach it. I don’t know that we emphasize it. I haven’t heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don’t know. I don’t know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it. But I don’t know a lot about it and I don’t know that others know a lot about it.<br />
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Question: "Don't Mormons believe that God was once a man?"<br />
Hinckley: "I wouldn't say that. There was a little couplet coined, "As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become." Now that's more of a couplet than anything else." <br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">"In imitation of the true order of heaven whereby seers
receive revelations from God through a Urim and Thummim, <b><span style="color: #990000; font-size: large;">the devil gives his
own revelations to some of his followers through peep stones or crystal
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From the definition in Gospel Principles God told Abraham to lie , Abraham said Sarah was half sister but was that even verifiable ? But the most important part of his relationship with Sarah was his wife, which would be concealment and maybe a half-truth . </div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">7 And <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">the Gods</span></b> formed
man from the dust of the ground, and took his spirit (that is, the man’s
spirit), and put it into him; and breathed into his nostrils the breath of
life, and man became a living soul.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> </span><span style="font-family: "calibri";">8 And <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">the Gods</span></b> planted
a garden, eastward in Eden, and there they put the man, whose spirit they had
put into the body which they had formed.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">9 And out of the
ground made the Gods to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good
for food; the tree of life, also, in the midst of the garden, and the tree of
knowledge of good and evil.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">10 There was a river
running out of Eden, to water the garden, and from thence it was parted and
became into four heads.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">11 And<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"> the Gods</span></b> took
the man and put him in the Garden of Eden, to dress it and to keep it.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 12 And <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">the Gods</span></b>
commanded the man, saying: Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat,</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">13 But of the tree of
knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the time that thou
eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die. Now I, Abraham, saw that it was after
the Lord’s time, which was after the time of Kolob; for as yet the Gods had not
appointed unto Adam his reckoning.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">14 And<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"> the Gods</span></b> said:
Let us make an help meet for the man, for it is not good that the man should be
alone, therefore we will form an help meet for him.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";">15 And<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"> the Gods</span></b>
caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam; and he slept, and they took one of his
ribs, and closed up the flesh in the stead thereof;</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> Notice in Abraham
chapter 4 and 5 we have the teaching there’s<b><span style="color: blue;"> a plethora of gods</span></b>, yet the Book
of Mormon and Book of Moses both Faux scriptures in Mormonism below says one God </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 1 Nephi 13: 41 And
they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth
of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of
thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb;
wherefore they both shall be established in one; <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">for there is one God</span></b> and one
Shepherd over all the earth.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #333333; font-family: "tahoma" , "sans-serif"; font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%;">6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the
similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the
Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">but there is no God beside me</span></b>, and
all things are present with me, for I know them all.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> Notice that ONE GOD
is three separate persons [ with in the nature of the ONE GOD ] “TRINITY”</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 21 And now, behold,
my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name
given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now,
behold,<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"> this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God,</span></b> without end.
Amen.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 44 Now, this
restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both
male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so
much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its
perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be
arraigned before <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy
Spirit, which is one Eternal God,</span></b> to be judged according to their works,
whether they be good or whether they be evil.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 7 And he hath brought
to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before
him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God
in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above,<b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"> unto the
Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God,</span></b> in a
state of happiness which hath no end.</span></div>
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<span style="color: blue; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: large;"><b>And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the
Holy Ghost, which is one God</b></span><span style="font-family: "calibri";">. Amen.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> Oliver Cowdery</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> David Whitmer</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> Martin Harris</span></div>
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1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words
which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb
shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of
the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in
one; for there is <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">one God </span></b>and one Shepherd over all the earth.<o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> 28 <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">Which Father, Son,
and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal</span></b>, without end. Amen.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> Notice how [Charles
William Penrose (February 4, 1832 – May 16, 1925) was a member of the Quorum of
the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS
Church) from 1904 to 1911. Penrose was also a member of the First Presidency of
the church under Church Presidents Joseph F. Smith and Heber J. Grant from 1911
until his death.]</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> COUNSEL GIVEN BY
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> Now, some of our
brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting
gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel,
that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain
any reference to the work of salvation for the dead and that there are many
other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and
yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting
gospel." Well, what is the fulness of the gospel? You read carefully the
revelation in regard to the three glories, Section 76, in the Doctrine and
Covenants, and you find there defined what the gospel is. <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">There God, the
Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his Son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as
the three Persons in the Trinity—the one God, the Father, the Word, and the
Holy Ghost, all three being one God.</span></b> When people believe in that doctrine and
obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principles, you get
the fulness of the gospel for this reason: If you really believe so as to have
faith in our Eternal Father and in his Son, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer, and
will hear him, you will learn ail about what is needed to be done for the
salvation of the living and redemption of the dead.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"> </span><span style="font-family: "calibri";">(General Conference
Report, April 1922, pp. 27-28.)</span></div>
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<span style="color: blue; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: large;"><b> PRESIDENT CHARLES W.
PENROSE seems to know the Trinity is ONE GOD three separate persons as taught
in the Book of Mormon</b></span></div>
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One of the interesting things about the Abraham version with many gods involved in creation is the passage of the Bible that says God created it alone.<br />
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Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,<br />
And He who formed you from the womb:<br />
“I am the LORD, who makes all things,<br />
Who stretches out the heavens<b><span style="font-family: "arial black";"><span style="color: blue;"> all alone</span></span></b>,<br />
Who spreads abroad the earth<b><span style="color: blue;"> by Myself</span></b>;<br />
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Have we not all one Father? <b><span style="color: blue;">Has not one God created us?<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></span></div>
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14 “To the angel (divine messenger) of the church in Laodicea write:<br />
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“These are the words of the Amen, the trusted and faithful and true Witness, the Beginning and <b><span style="color: blue;">Origin</span></b> of God’s creation: AMP <br />
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John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years <br />
old, and hast thou seen Abraham? <a href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="58"></a><br />
Jesus said unto <br />
them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. <a href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="59"></a><br />
Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, <br />
and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."<br />
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<span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"><b>When did Abraham see Jesus other than in Genesis 18:33 and 19:37 </b></span></div>
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No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, <br />
which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared <i>him</i>.<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b><span style="color: blue;">how many of the patriarchs seen Jehovah yet no one has seen the God the Father</span></b> </span></div>
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The Book of Abraham<br />
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Chapter 4<br />
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<b><span style="font-family: "arial black";"><span style="color: blue;">The Gods </span></span></b>plan the creation of the earth and all life thereon—Their plans for the six days of creation are set forth.<br />
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3 And they <b><span style="color: blue;">(the Gods</span></b>) said: Let there be light; and there was light.<br />
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4 And they (<b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods</span></b>) comprehended the light, for it was bright; and they divided the light, or caused it to be divided, from the darkness.<br />
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5 And<b><span style="color: blue;"> the Gods </span></b>called the light Day, and the darkness they called Night. And it came to pass that from the evening until morning they called night; and from the morning until the evening they called day; and this was the first, or the beginning, of that which they called day and night.<br />
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6 And<b><span style="color: blue;"> the Gods </span></b>also said: Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and it shall divide the waters from the waters.<br />
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7 And<b><span style="color: blue;"> the Gods </span></b>ordered the expanse, so that it divided the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so, even as they ordered.<br />
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8 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>called the expanse, Heaven. And it came to pass that it was from evening until morning that they called night; and it came to pass that it was from morning until evening that they called day; and this was the second time that they called night and day.<br />
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9 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>ordered, saying: Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the earth come up dry; and it was so as they ordered;<br />
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10 And<b> <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b></b>pronounced the dry land, Earth; and the gathering together of the waters, pronounced they, Great Waters; and the Gods saw that they were obeyed.<br />
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11 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>said: Let us prepare the earth to bring forth grass; the herb yielding seed; the fruit tree yielding fruit, after his kind, whose seed in itself yieldeth its own likeness upon the earth; and it was so, even as they ordered.<br />
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12 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>organized the earth to bring forth grass from its own seed, and the herb to bring forth herb from its own seed, yielding seed after his kind; and the earth to bring forth the tree from its own seed, yielding fruit, whose seed could only bring forth the same in itself, after his kind; and the Gods saw that they were obeyed.<br />
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14 And<b><span style="color: blue;"> the Gods </span></b>organized the lights in the expanse of the heaven, and caused them to divide the day from the night; and organized them to be for signs and for seasons, and for days and for years;<br />
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16 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>organized the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; with the lesser light they set the stars also;<br />
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17 And<b><span style="color: blue;"> the Gods </span></b>set them in the expanse of the heavens, to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to cause to divide the light from the darkness.<br />
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18 And<b><span style="color: blue;"> the Gods </span></b>watched those things which they had ordered until they obeyed.<br />
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20 And<b><span style="color: blue;"> the Gods </span></b>said: Let us prepare the waters to bring forth abundantly the moving creatures that have life; and the fowl, that they may fly above the earth in the open expanse of heaven.<br />
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21 And<b><span style="color: blue;"> the Gods </span></b>prepared the waters that they might bring forth great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters were to bring forth abundantly after their kind; and every winged fowl after their kind. And the Gods saw that they would be obeyed, and that their plan was good.<br />
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22 And<b><span style="color: blue;"> the Gods </span></b>said: We will bless them, and cause them to be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas or great waters; and cause the fowl to multiply in the earth.<br />
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24 And<b><span style="color: blue;"> the Gods </span></b>prepared the earth to bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle and creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind; and it was so, as they had said.<br />
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25 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>organized the earth to bring forth the beasts after their kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after its kind; and the Gods saw they would obey.<br />
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26 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>took counsel among themselves and said: Let us go down and form man in our image, after our likeness; and we will give them dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.<br />
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27 So <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>went down to organize man in their own image, in the image of the Gods to form they him, male and female to form they them.<br />
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28 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>said: We will bless them. And the Gods said: We will cause them to be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it, and to have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.<br />
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29 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>said: Behold, we will give them every herb bearing seed that shall come upon the face of all the earth, and every tree which shall have fruit upon it; yea, the fruit of the tree yielding seed to them we will give it; it shall be for their meat.<br />
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31 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>said: We will do everything that we have said, and organize them; and behold, they shall be very obedient. And it came to pass that it was from evening until morning they called night; and it came to pass that it was from morning until evening that they called day; and they numbered the sixth time.<br />
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<b><span style="color: blue;">The Gods </span></b>finish Their planning of the creation of all things—They bring to pass the Creation according to Their plans—Adam names every living creature.<br />
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2 And<b><span style="color: blue;"> the Gods </span></b>said among themselves: On the seventh time we will end our work, which we have counseled; and we will rest on the seventh time from all our work which we have counseled.<br />
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3 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>concluded upon the seventh time, because that on the seventh time they would rest from all their works which they (the Gods) counseled among themselves to form; and sanctified it. And thus were their decisions at the time that they counseled among themselves to form the heavens and the earth.<br />
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4 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>came down and formed these the generations of the heavens and of the earth, when they were formed in the day that the Gods formed the earth and the heavens,<br />
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7 And<b><span style="color: blue;"> the Gods </span></b>formed man from the dust of the ground, and took his spirit (that is, the man’s spirit), and put it into him; and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.<br />
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8 And <b><span style="color: blue;">the Gods </span></b>planted a garden, eastward in Eden, and there they put the man, whose spirit they had put into the body which they had formed.<br />
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<br /><br /><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif;">“People tell us, ‘You don’t believe in one God; you believe in three Gods.’ And the answer is, ‘Yes, we do.’ If that is polytheism then we are.”</span><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif;" /><br style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif;" /><span style="background-color: #f4f4f4; font-family: sans-serif;">Truman Madsen, BYU professor (emeritus), 150-Year- Old Debate: Are Mormons `Really Christian’? San Francisco Chronicle, April 8, 1996</span></span><br />
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<b>32</b> According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of <b>the Eternal God of<span style="font-size: large;"> <span style="color: blue;">all other gods</span></span> before this world was,</b> that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest.<br />
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<b>18</b> And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and <span style="color: blue; font-size: large;"><strong>the gods</strong></span> are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.<br />
<b><br /> 19</b> And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb's Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and<span style="color: blue;"><span style="font-size: large;"> <b>the gods</b></span></span>, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.<br />
<b><br /> 20</b> <b><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">Then shall they be gods</span></b>, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. <b>Then shall they <span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">be gods</span>, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.</b><br />
<b><br /> 37</b> <b>Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness,</b> because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, <b>and are not angels but <span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">are gods</span>.</b><br />
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What's interesting how the Bible teaches only ONE GOD involved in the Creation<br />
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Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,<br />
And He who formed you from the womb:<br />
“I am the LORD, who makes all things,<br />
Who stretches out the heavens<b><span style="font-family: "arial black";"><span style="color: blue;"> all alone,</span></span></b>Who spreads abroad the earth <b><span style="color: blue;">by Myself</span></b>; <br />
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<span class="messagebody2"><span face=""tahoma" , "sans-serif"" style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%;">Adam and Others helped in creation, it is true
that Adam helped to form this earth. He labored with our Savior Jesus Christ. I
have a strong view or conviction that there were others also who assisted them.
Perhaps Noah and Enoch; and why not Joseph Smith. Doctrines of Salvation Vol. 1
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<span style="font-family: "tahoma";">1 Nephi 13:<a class="bookmark-anchor dontHighlight" href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="41"><span style="font-family: "times new roman";"> </span></a><span style="font-family: "times new roman";"><span class="verse">41 "</span>And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; <strong><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth."</span></strong></span></span><br />
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<strong><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">even the Book of Mormon teaches only ONE GOD exists </span></strong><br />
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about becoming gods.</b></span></span></div>
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<span style="color: #000037; font-size: large;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: black; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: small;">"In Psalm 82:6, judges invested by divine
appointment are called 'gods.' To this scripture the Savior referred in
His reply to the Jews in Solomon's Porch. Judges so authorized officiated
as the representatives of God and are honored by the exalted title
'gods.' Compare the similar appellation applied to Moses (Exo. 4:16;
7:1). Jesus Christ possessed divine authorization, not through the word
of God transmitted to Him by man, but as an inherent attribute. The
inconsistency of calling human judges 'gods,' and of ascribing blasphemy to the
Christ who called Himself the Son of God, would have been apparent to the Jews
but for their sin-darkened minds." (James Talmage, Jesus the Christ,
p. 501). -- Mormons often quote Psalm 82:6 which Jesus quoted in John 10:30-34
to show that we can become gods. </span></span></div>
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<span style="color: #000037; font-size: large;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: small;"> Rather than them believing the truth from a Christian,
perhaps they will believe it from their own apostle.</span></span></div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: black; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: small;">judge must act with impartiality and true justice, because
even judges must stand someday before the Judge. Verses 6 and 7 warn human
magistrates that they, too, must be judged: “I said, `You are gods; you are all
sons of the Most High.' But you will die like mere men; you will fall like
every other ruler.” </span></div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: black; font-family: "calibri"; font-size: small;">This passage is saying that God has appointed men to
positions of authority in which they are considered as gods among the people.
They are to remember that, even though they are representing God in this world,
they are mortal and must eventually give an account to God for how they used
that authority.</span></div></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg3mKueS7d74xtuhfBSgqmEUdrTuKAYTqhXDD05SZ1evsCAQsM_Q3aQrHFWlMc2IquBlSenbEPbslj7kFArTbVg35tdZl5Gxzu0qIidlxako1iwr9rxdDSJD-WlrEBGxXl-PFnTAlNxJbs/s2048/Duet+18.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1117" data-original-width="2048" height="350" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg3mKueS7d74xtuhfBSgqmEUdrTuKAYTqhXDD05SZ1evsCAQsM_Q3aQrHFWlMc2IquBlSenbEPbslj7kFArTbVg35tdZl5Gxzu0qIidlxako1iwr9rxdDSJD-WlrEBGxXl-PFnTAlNxJbs/w640-h350/Duet+18.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br />creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-51406007746859272402015-10-20T09:25:00.002-07:002020-08-23T22:48:36.361-07:00Joseph Smith's words supersedes JESUS in Mormonism<div abp="0">
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"I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and<b abp="13"><span abp="14" face="" style="font-family: "arial black";"><span abp="15" style="color: blue;"> three Gods," </span></span></b>(Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370)</div>
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The Godhead consists of the three distinct personages and <b abp="18"><span abp="19" style="color: blue;">three gods</span></b>.. The Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Father and Son have bodies of flesh and bones, while the Holy Spirit is a personage of spirit. Robert Millet A Different Jesus page 198</div>
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The trinity is <b abp="22"><span abp="23" style="color: blue;">three separate Gods</span></b>: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).</div>
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Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; <b abp="26"><span abp="27" style="color: blue;">The Lord our God is one Lord</span></b>: "</div>
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44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned <b abp="38"><span abp="39" style="color: blue;">before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God,</span></b> to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.</div>
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<b abp="49"><span abp="50" style="color: blue;">And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God</span></b>. Amen.</div>
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Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." Well, what is the fulness of the gospel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, Section 76, in the Doctrine and Covenants, and you find there defined what the gospel is. <b abp="67"><span abp="68" face="" style="font-family: "arial black";"><span abp="69" style="color: blue;">There God, the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his Son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three Persons in the Trinity—the one God, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God.</span></span></b> When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principles, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason: If you really believe so as to have faith in our Eternal Father and in his Son, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer, and will hear him, you will learn ail about what is needed to be done for the salvation of the living and redemption of the dead.</div>
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sin-darkened minds."<span abp="153" style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>(James
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1. Hugh B. Brown, The Abundant Life, p.313 <span style="color: blue;"> <strong><span style="font-size: medium;">Surely this was not ventriloquism where Christ was speaking to and of himself.</span></strong></span> It was the Father introducing His Son. In this case, the members of the Holy Trinity manifested themselves, each in a different way, and each was distinct from the others. A similar event occurred on the Mount of Transfiguration when members of the Godhead were distinguished in the presence of Moses and Elias, and Peter, James, and John. </div>
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What’s interesting about all these statements is that Le Grand Richards, Gordon B. Hinckley, James Talmage, Hugh B. Brown and other leaders like Robert Hales and Jeffrey R Holland lie about is the Orthodox view of the Godhead and pin modalism to Orthodox Christianity and our belief of the Trinity.<br />
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Notice how we believe the teaching they try to say we believe is considered a heresy and is called modalism and monarchism Trinity 1X1X1=1 Mormonism 1+1+1=3</div>
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<li><a data-mce-href="http://carm.org/modalism" href="http://carm.org/modalism"><span data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;" style="text-decoration: underline;"><span data-mce-style="color: #0066cc;" style="color: #0066cc;">Modalism</span></span></a> - God is one person in three modes.</li>
<li><a data-mce-href="http://carm.org/monarchianism" href="http://carm.org/monarchianism"><span data-mce-style="text-decoration: underline;" style="text-decoration: underline;"><span data-mce-style="color: #0066cc;" style="color: #0066cc;">Monarchianism</span></span></a> - God is one person.</li>
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<ul><strong>"I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and<span style="color: blue; font-size: medium;"> three Gods</span>," (Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370) = polytheism </strong><br /><strong></strong><br /><strong> Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; <span style="color: blue; font-size: medium;">The Lord our God is one Lord</span>: " Monotheism </strong><br /><strong></strong><br /><strong> Jesus says ONE GOD in the Godhead, Joseph Smith says three . Who does Mormons believe and follow ? This is the major difference between Orthodox Christianity and Mormonism</strong></ul>
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Notice from reputable dictionaries and encyclopedias say we believe Three separate and distinct persons represent the <strong><span style="color: blue; font-size: medium;">ONE GOD [God- Godhead- Substance- Essence- Being [ all Synonyms ] </span></strong><br />
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The doctrine of the Trinity in the godhead includes the three following particulars, viz. (a) <strong><span style="color: blue; font-size: medium;">There is only one God, one divine nature; (b) but in this divine nature there is the distinction of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, as three (subjects or persons);</span></strong> and (c) these three-have equally, and in common with one another, the nature and perfection of supreme divinity. It was the custom in former times for theologians to blend their own speculations and those of others with the statement of the Bible doctrine. It is customary now to exhibit first the simple doctrine of the Bible, and afterwards, in a separate part, the speculations of the learned respecting it. (from McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.) <br />
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TRINITY The coexistence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the unity of the Godhead (divine nature or essence). <strong><span style="color: blue; font-size: medium;">The doctrine of the trinity means that within the being and activity of the one God there are three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.</span></strong> Although the word trinity does not appear in the Bible, the “trinitarian formula” is mentioned in the Great Commission (Matt 28:19) and in the benediction of the apostle Paul’s Second Epistle to the Corinthians (2 Cor 13:14).<br />
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Trinity used to express the doctrine of the unity of God as subsisting in three distinct Persons. This word is derived from the Gr. trias , first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168 A.D. - 183 A.D.), or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220 A.D.), to express this doctrine. The propositions involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but one God (Deut 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa 44:6; Mark 12:29,32; John 10:30). 2. <br />
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<strong><span style="color: blue; font-size: medium;">That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona, suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person.</span></strong><br />
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(from Easton’s Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)<br />
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<span style="font-family: "calibri";"><strong>We believe God is Trinity, which means that He is one God
who has eternally existed in three persons, God the Father, God the Son, and
God the Holy Spirit. Each one is fully God. God is completely unified in His
diversity. All persons of the Trinity are equal in essence, nature, and
substance, but they are different in persons. All things are from the Father,
through the Son, and by the Holy Spirit. Each person of the Godhead shares all
the attributes of God, including eternality, freedom, holiness, righteousness,
immutability, omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence, happiness, wisdom,
sovereignty, perfection, goodness, and justice, grace, and mercy. God is holy,
which means that he is transcendent over creation. He is the source of life.
Nothing exists apart from His sustaining power. Matthew 28:18–19; Mark 12:29;
John 1:14; Acts 5:3–4; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Hebrews 1:1–3; Revelation 1:4–6.</strong></span><br />
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<a href="https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/10/eternal-life-to-know-our-heavenly-father-and-his-son-jesus-christ?lang=eng"><span style="color: #cc3300;">https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/10/eternal-life-to-know-our-heavenly-father-and-his-son-jesus-christ?lang=eng</span></a></div>
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creeksalmonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09269626993851685681noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5482994663189766691.post-21528480469035534122015-07-06T09:25:00.001-07:002021-10-12T09:47:51.159-07:00The Jesus of the Bible and the Creeds”Who although being essentially one with God and in the Form of God {possessing the fullness of the attributes which make GOD GOD} did not think this equality with God was a thing to be grasped or retained.” Philippians 2:6 Amplified version<br />
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 <b><span style="color: blue;">All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made</span></b>. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.<br />
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Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:<br />
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2 Cor. 8:9 “For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was<b><span style="color: blue;"> rich</span></b>, yet for your sakes he became<b><span style="color: blue;"> poor</span></b>, that ye through his poverty might be rich.” <br />
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And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.<br />
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Luke 2: 51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and <b><span style="color: blue;">was subject unto them</span></b>: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart. 52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. Jesus also washed the disciples feet a practice done by only Gentile slaves , Jewish's slaves weren't allowed to do this.<br />
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1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who <b><span style="color: blue;">for the joy </span></b>that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. <br />
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In the original language “for the joy” means “he exchanged Joy for Shame”.<br />
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"The Gods who dwell in the Heaven...have been redeemed from the grave in a world which existed before the foundations of this earth were laid. They and the Heavenly body which they now inhabit were once in a fallen state....they were exalted also, <strong><span style="color: blue;">from fallen men to Celestial Gods</span></strong> to inhabit their Heaven forever and ever." (Apostle Orson Pratt in The Seer, page 23) <br />
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In the 1844 LDS publication, Times and Seasons, volume 5, pages 613-614,<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show"> Joseph Smith reiterated <strong><span style="color: blue;">that God was an exalted man</span></strong> and that Mormon men could also become Gods. This teaching is well documented, as is their claim that God is not a spirit being, but that he has a body of flesh and bone. </span><br />
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“<strong><span style="color: blue;">God is a perfected, saved soul enjoying eternal life</span></strong>.” (Second Counselor in the First Presidency, Marion G. Romney, as per Salt Lake Tribune, April 3, 1977.) <br />
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It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, <strong><span style="color: blue; font-size: large;">that God has once been a finite being</span></strong>; and yet we are not in such close communion with him as many have supposed. He has passed on, and is exalted far beyond what we can now comprehend.<br />
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The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak as been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the matters of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages." (Church News, June 20, 1998, p70) <span style="font-family: "calibri";"> Gordon B Hinckley</span><br />
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The Lord Jesus, who is called Christ, was in the beginning with God. He was the "Only Begotten Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, even from the beginning." (D&C 76:13.) He was "prepared from before the foundation of the world." (Moses 5:57; 3 Ne. 26:5.) And his solemn prayer, uttered near the climax of his mortal ministry, was: "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (John 17:5.)<br />
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Though he has now attained unto that exalted state in which he is described as being "from everlasting to everlasting" (D&C 61:1) and "from all eternity to all eternity" (D&C 39:1)—as will eventually be the description and state of all those who gain exaltation (D&C 132:20)—<b><span style="font-family: "arial black";"><span style="color: blue;">yet, as a conscious identity, he had a beginning.</span></span></b> <b><span style="color: blue;">He was born, as were all the spirit children of the Father. God was his Father, as he is of all the rest. For him, as for all men—and he is the Prototype</span></b>—the eternal spirit element that has neither beginning nor end, and is self-existent by nature, was organized into a spirit body. He was one of "the intelligences that were organized before the world was." (Abr. 3:22.) He was and is the Firstborn of the Father.<br />
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The Promised Messiah page 165 Bruce R McConkie<br />
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