Friday, October 25, 2019

Mormons follow a different Christ than traditional Christians

 The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak as been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the matters of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages." (Church News, June 20, 1998, p70) Gordon B Hinckley

We Look to Christ 2002 General Conference April

LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie taught that Christians have "a mythical Christ" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269). That means we must decide which faith has the real Christ because somebody clearly has a mythical Christ. Do these faiths have the same Jesus? No, if you read the LDS Ensign. It says Christian Churches worship a different Jesus (May 1977, p.26).

Notice the Book of Mormon agrees with the Traditional Christian view of Jesus and completely contradicts the Mormon Christ 

Mosiah 3:5 For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, causing the lame to walk, the blind to receive their sight, and the deaf to hear, and curing all manner of diseases.

Notice that Jesus is the Lord Omnipotent and God from Eternity which would mean that he had no Father until he became flesh
Mosiah 15 3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—

Which agrees with the Bible that teaches Jesus was Fatherless as Jehovah

Hebrews 7 
  For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 
To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

I agree with Gordon B Hinkley that the Christ of Mormonism is a different Christ than Traditional Christianity which agrees with the Creeds including the Book of Mormon 

Mormon temples not Biblical 

Acts 17:24-25 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshiped with men's hands, as though he needed anything, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

Acts 7:48-51 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, 49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? 50 Hath not my hand made all these things? 51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2 Corinthians 6:16-17 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

Ephesians 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto a holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for a habitation of God through the Spirit.

      We, as Christians, are the temple of God; we are the church. It is totally unnecessary to worship Him in a special building.

Monday, October 29, 2018

One of many Mormon idols "family"

"President Nelson encouraged Church members to hang certain reminders of the plan of salvation in their home: “I invite the members of the Church to place on the walls of their homes pictures of their family, pictures of their grandparents, pictures as a couple, pictures of their children, and pictures of the temple. These all symbolize God’s eternal plan. It’s all about the family.” (LDS Living, June, 2018)

Well, this proves that this Nelson, the so-called "prophet" of the Mormon cult is NO PROPHET at all. In fact, he's a false teacher. Where on earth do the Mormons derive their belief that "it's all about the family" has anything to do with the Gospel of Christ, especially when Jesus Christ, Himself, taught otherwise?

The Family as an Idol

Matt. 12:50:
"For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Apparently Jesus taught that our relationship as brothers and sisters is predicated upon belief in Him and the Gospel. He obviously saw no familial relationship due to some fantasy pre-mortal existence where all spirits are related by patrilineal descent (with various "mothers" providing the "venue" for new baby spirits). Relationships, according to Jesus, are defined by being born into another family, by becoming sons and daughters of God by faith.

John 1:12:

"12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name,

he gave the right to become children of God,"

Apparently, the Mormon false prophet is more concerned about physical descent than spiritual descent by faith in Christ. And therein lies one of the worst idols that Mormonism has set up: the physical family. Has Nelson read the Gospel of Matthew?:

Matt. 10: 21

"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rise against their parents and have them put to death."

Matt. 10: 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

and does this seem "family focused?"

Luke 18: And Peter said, “See, we have left our homes and followed you.” 
And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, 
who will not receive many times more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life.”

Luke 19:29: And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life.

and, Matt. 19:29:
"And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life."
There are many other verses, but these suffice to demonstrate that Jesus certainly had no Mormon attitude toward "families." He certainly never taught that it's "all about families." Neither in the Bible or the BoM is this found as a New Covenant teaching. Family-worship is an idol found in Mormonism, and in the Occult where spirit contacts with deceased family members are desired.....and many Mormons indicate they have communed with dead family members (an outgrowth of Mormon occultism).

The Bible, however, teaches us that Jesus did not recognize physical relationships as binding in any way in heaven, but rather spiritual relationships make us brothers and sisters because of faith in Jesus; furthermore, there is no marriage, or being in a matrimonial state, in the Kingdom of God:

" 29 Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you do not understand the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For after the resurrection there is no marrying or being married, but they live as angels do in heaven. 31 But as to the resurrection of the dead, did you never read what was said to you by God, 3 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of dead men but of living!" (note here is one of Jesus' clearest teachings on the condition of deceased Christians in the afterlife - they are "living.') Goodspeed

So, Jesus teaches here that humans will be like angels (not become angels), and that marital relationships do not exist as they do here on earth: "There is NO marrying or being married." This is pretty clear and only someone who is illiterate or considers Joe Smith's words as of greater importance than those of the Lord's would ever see in this passage anything to do with "eternal marriage." In Jesus' Kingdom there is no need for marriage vows since we won't be procreating as couples do on earth.

The Spirit Medium, Swedenborg, from whom Joe Smith borrowed his three heavens teaching, also taught that there were martial relationships in heaven. All these teachings, Swedenborg's and Smith's, come from demonic sources. They directly contradict the teachings of Jesus.

Where oh where does the Bible teach that it's "all about the family," as Nelson proclaims? No place in the New Covenant texts. Under the Old Covenant, relationships were reckoned by physical descent from this patriarch or that. Patrilineal descent in Judaism has now been changed to Matrilineal descent to prove one is a Jew. That says something about our decline in morality. However in the New Testament, it is one's spiritual relationship through faith in Christ which determines whether or not we are adopted into the REAL FAMILY, THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS, God's Family, John 1:12:

John 1: " 11 He (my note: Jesus) came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Who were "his own" that did not receive Jesus? They were the Jews to whom He was related through the flesh of Mary. The Jews, His own family members DID NOT receive Jesus. Therefore, the Bible teaches that relationship with God depends not on the fleshly relationships, but on the spiritual:

"Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God." And this was not because of natural descent, as the verses explain.

Under the Old Covenant, "natural descent" from one of the 12 Patriarchs was the means to be part of God's "Chosen People." However, under the New Covenant, natural descent is meaningless. It bestows no validity. Under the New Covenant it is FAITH IN JESUS which makes us children of God.

The useless "sealings" of parents to children performed in Mormon temples are simply without any validity, and wasted time. My children won't become Christians because of me, or anyone else. They will be saved by their OWN faith. Jesus, not blood ties, saves a person and places them in God's family. In Christ, there has been a transition from the fleshly to the spiritual, and the Mormons have apparently missed it!

Paul said that a state of singleness was preferable to marriage:

1 Cor. 7:8 " Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. "

1 Cor. 7:38 So then he who marries his betrothed does well, and he who refrains from marriage will do even better.

I think this is pretty clear, and directly opposes the Mormon false teaching about eternal marriages.

So, we have two different teachings. One from the Bible, the other from the false cult of Mormonism. Which is true?

Has the central idol of Mormonism, other than Joseph Smith, become "the family?" It's obvious that it has. And this form of idolatry is taught neither in the Bible or their Book of Mormon.

Since the LDS faith has the family so important to salvation it even teaches Jesus needed wives and a family 

“and what does he say upon the subject of Christ and his Apostles, and their belief? He says, "The grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was, because he had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed him." After Jesus went kern the stage of action, the Apostles followed the example of their master. … The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were "Mormons."” (Jedediah M Grant, Journal of Discourses Vol. 1, pp. 345-346)

“the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion, was a polygamist … the Messiah chose to take upon himself his seed; and by marrying many honorable wives himself, show to all future generations that he approbated the plurality of wives under the Christian dispensation” (Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 253)

“Now, briefly, the reason that the Lord, through the Prophet Joseph, introduced the doctrine of plural marriage, and the reason that the Church ... has never and will never relinquish the doctrine of plural marriage, is simply this: The major purpose of the Church is to help man attain the great eternal destiny suggested in that couplet ... plural marriage is the patriarchal order of marriage lived by God and others who reign in the Celestial Kingdom. As well might the Church relinquish its claim to the Priesthood as the doctrine of plural marriage.” (John J. Stewart (1961), Brigham Young and His Wives, p. 41)

“because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children.” (Mormon Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses Vol. 2, p. 210)

"The Scripture says that He, the LORD, came walking in the Temple, with His train; I do not know who they were, unless His wives and children ..." (Mormon 2nd Prophet & President Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 309)
actually the LORD there would be Jehovah  "Jesus" that Brigham Quotes above  .

Isaiah 53

1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation?

According to the scripture above it sounds Jesus life was cut off before he could marry or have children, this verse is also quoted in the New Testament Acts 8:32

Tuesday, May 8, 2018

Mormon salaries, living allowances or stipends

"The only principle upon which they judge me is by comparing my acts with the foolish traditions of their fathers and nonsensical teachings of hireling priests, whose object and aim were to keep the people in ignorance for the sake of filthy lucre; or as the prophet says, to feed themselves, not the flock."

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 315

"How much tithing do you pay? The professing Christians, apostates and others have a great deal to say about the Saints paying tithing. Now let us compare notes. The Elders of this Church travel and preach without purse or scrip, and labor at home as Bishops, Presidents, High Counselors, and Ministers, free of charge. Now take the Christians, how many of their Ministers preach without pay? Go to their meetings, in their churches, halls, schoolhouses, or any of their public gatherings, and you have a box, a plate, or a hat put under your face, and it is, 'Give me a sixpence, give me a sixpence, give me a sixpence!' Show me the Elder of this Church that does this? We preach the Gospel without purse or scrip and work for our own bread and butter. Yet the Christian world whine about our paying tithing. The Saints should pay the tenth of their income with glad and thankful hearts, and help to bring home the poor. We have supported and helped the poor to the amount of millions."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 16, p. 44 - p.45, May 18, 1873

“While all this has been done for our country, and we have comparatively tamed the savage and held in check his wild and blood-thirsty nature, that the inhabitants of the world could travel across the deserts without being robbed and murdered, we have been the subject of vile scandal, simply because our religious views were different from those of the hireling clergy who occupy the pulpits of Christendom. We taught that men should preach the Gospel without pure or scrip--preach it freely; and a man who depended upon a congregation for a salary by which to obtain his black coat and fit-out, was ready to denounce preaching without purse and scrip as a heresy; why? Because it would reduce him to the necessity of going to some useful calling, instead of making merchandise of the Gospel, which God has made free."

- Prophet George Albert Smith, Journal of Discourses, v. 11, p. 179, October 8, 1865

"A few weeks ago a lady physician came to our office, ...She said, ‘Will you be kind enough to have an interview with one of our ministers and tell him how he can work along these lines.' I remarked to her that I would willingly do so, but that I was afraid he could not live to it or teach it to his congregation. Why? she asked. My answer was, ‘He requires a salary to preach the Gospel. Whenever he arises to preach to his congregation and says that which they do not like, they say that he will have to stop preaching that way or they will stop his salary.' ‘Now,' said I, ‘when I preach to the people, I do not care whose toes I tread on; I do not care who I strike; I teach the truth, and no matter where it hits they cannot come to me and say, "We'll stop your salary" because I haven't any to stop. That is the difference between your minister and me.' That is one great difference between the ministers of the world, who are professing to preach the Gospel unto the people, and the Elders of the Lord Jesus Christ. I would sooner be a humble Elder preaching the Gospel unto the people, bearing testimony that Jesus is the Christ and that Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, than to be the greatest‘divine'upon the face of the earth."

- Joseph A. McRae, Conference Report, October 1902, p. 11

"Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward."

- Holy Bible, 1 Timothy 5:17-18

"What of the Mormon clergy? ...There is no paid or professional ministry. Thirty-nine general officers and the presidents of missions are given living allowances."

- Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, What of the Mormons?, p. 4

"Because the Church has no professional clergy, it is administered at every level through LAY PARTICIPATION AND LEADERSHIP, and officials other than the General Authorities contribute their time and talents without remuneration. ...Because the General Authorities are obliged to leave their regular employment for full-time Church service, they receive a modest living allowance provided from income on Church investments."

- Encyclopedia of Mormonism, p. 510

"The calling [to be a Mission President] is not a regular remunerative position,...The family involved gives of its time and energies without salary, though there is a modest allowance for living expenses."
- Encyclopedia of Mormonism, p. 914

"It can be said also that the officers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who labor without salaries coming out of the pockets of the members, are just as spiritually minded, have just as good judgment and wisdom in directing the temporal as well as the spiritual welfare of the people, as are any of the ministers who spend their entire time in what may be called spiritual counsel. For instance, the bishops of our wards and the presidents of our stakes and other officers give their time freely without any monetary compensation paid by members of the Church. It is equally true that the young men and women who are distributed over the face of the earth as missionaries of the Church pay their own way, or their parents do. We do not have a paid ministry, yet these brethren put in as much time in spiritual and Church duties, as do ministers of other denominations who devote their entire time, and in addition, they are under the necessity of earning their own living by their daily employment in industry. They do this because they have an abiding testimony of the divinity of the work the Church requires of them.”

- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, v. 3, p. 79

Friday, May 12, 2017

The misinformation and hyperbole of the Mormon leaders pertaining to the Book Of Mormon


Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

"I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods," (Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370)

The Godhead consists of the three distinct personages and three gods.. The Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Father and Son have bodies of flesh and bones, while the Holy Spirit is a personage of spirit. Robert Millet A Different Jesus page 198

The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).

Bruce McConkie states: "There are three Gods...separate in personality, united in purpose, in plan, and in all attributes of perfection" (Mormon Doctrine, p.270).

Doctrine and Covenants section 121:

32 According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest.

Doctrine and Covenants section 132:

20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.


What’s interesting The Book of Mormon teaches the opposite about the Godhead, rather than three gods and a plurality of gods it teaches only ONE GOD in the Godhead. Even the President of Mormonism commented that the paramount and fullness of the Gospel found in the Book of Mormonism is the ONE GOD of the Trinity.

in Answers to Gospel Questions Vol. 3 pp 98-99 under Counsel given by President Charles W. Penrose

Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead, and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." well what is the fulnesspel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, section 76, in the Doctrine and Covanants, and you find there defined what the gospel is, There God the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three persons in the Trinity-the one God the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principals, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason:

General Conference Report, April 1922, pp 27-28.

2 Nephi 31:

21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God,   without end. Amen.

Alma 11:

44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God,  to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.

Mormon 7:

7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God,  in a state of happiness which hath no end.

The Testimony of Three Witnesses

And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God.  Amen.

Oliver Cowdery

David Whitmer

Martin Harris

1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.

Book of Moses 1:

6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.
  President Charles W. Penrose was correct when he said The Paramount and Fullness of the Gospel found in the Book of Mormon is the Trinity taught in the 4th and 5th century Creeds